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Faux Passable, like shit after a reasonable fibre diet. [02:39]
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KekSi 'morning [02:53]
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sonOfRa morning [03:00]
sonOfRa Uh oh [03:17]
sonOfRa German's minister for health commissioned a study on the psychological impact of abortions. This is a bad thing! [03:18]
Faux They cause the Male Christians undue stress, so should be banned? [03:18]
grug speaking of babies [03:18]
grug we just announced that we have a baby due in august [03:18]
grug which is exciting [03:18]
Faux Congrats, grug! NYE baby! [03:18]
Faux (Like me and the wife.) [03:19]
sonOfRa grug: WOOOO [03:19]
sonOfRa Faux: what? WOOOOO [03:19]
sonOfRa Or you mean you *are* nye babies? [03:19]
Faux Oh no. WHOOOOO [03:19]
Faux Oh. WHOOO [03:19]
Faux I thought sonOfRa was starting a meme. WHOOOO [03:19]
grug is WHOOOOOOO the new meme? [03:19]
Faux (no. WHOOOO [03:19]
sonOfRa what have I done [03:19]
KekSi WHOOOt have you done? [03:20]
Faux The wife and I were both born suspiciously exactly 9 months after Christmas. WHOOO [03:20]
Faux Not "the wife and I have passed the puppy stage and are onto commitment WHOOOOO". [03:20]
sonOfRa Faux: ah yes [03:20]
QshelTier My sister is born on Sep 24th. [03:21]
QshelTier Well, well, well. [03:21]
Faux https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/image-article_inline_full/public/blogs/121338/2013/12/139190-139552.jpg?itok=jIDe8PJS glad to see that it's normally distributed like all statistics in the real world. [03:21]
Faux Bombe: A month late? [03:21]
Bombe Can you count? [03:22]
Faux I am unsure. [03:22]
Bombe Then probably not. [03:22]
sonOfRa That's almost 10 full months, Bombe [03:22]
sonOfRa wait [03:22]
sonOfRa err, more than 40 weeks [03:22]
Bombe YOU TOO? [03:22]
Faux My life is ruined. [03:22]
Faux If the mode is 283 days, then it would be 3rd Oct. [03:23]
sonOfRa Apparently, at 280 days, I'd be conceived as an april fool's joke! [03:24]
sonOfRa And my sister 2 days after my dad's birthday. Heh. [03:25]
Faux Ouch. [03:25]
Faux Blowjob baby. [03:25]
Faux The new sprint [don't ask], starting today, isn't marked as Active in JIRA, so I can't... view it? I can see it, and the list of tasks in it, in the dashboard, but I am not allowed to open a dumb board for it. [03:27]
KekSi i'm guessing late april :x [03:33]
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AMcBain Faux, yeah I recall something like that... kind of annoying. You couldn't do much aside from put things on it using the backlog view if it wasn't started. :-/ [03:34]
AMcBain isn't using anything Atlassian these days; last place used all their stuff current place uses Azure DevOps for part of it. [03:37]
KekSi i hate both jira and confluence [03:39]
AMcBain Huh. I liked both of them. [03:40]
AMcBain JIRA was relatively configurable if you had the right privileges so you could change the workflows/columns to round off the parts you didn't like. [03:40]
KekSi they're just both garbage [03:40]
AMcBain Mostly. [03:40]
AMcBain Er... [03:40]
KekSi just goes against any workflow you may have [03:40]
Faux My main issue is really that it is so bogglingly slow at everything. github is bad enough, but they have an excuse. [03:41]
AMcBain I don't recall having any issues with speed for either product. [03:41]
KekSi everything is just bound to run out of sync -- any documentation in confluence for any service at all should be in it's repo instead or it'll be hopefully outdated [03:41]
AMcBain Ohhh, that. Yeah no. Don't use it for that. [03:41]
KekSi how? jira is ridiculously slow -- especially with all the crap addons we've added (gantt charts in particular with something called "big picture" which is the slowest piece of shit ever) [03:42]
AMcBain I dunno how, all I can saw was when I was at the place that used it, it was never slow for me. [03:42]
AMcBain I don't think we had anything like gantt chart addons though. [03:43]
Faux 7s to domready for viewing a single issue in our hosted JIRA setup, IP is in Ireland (~40ms away). Github can render the entire issue list in 2.2s. Both warm. [03:43]
AMcBain Zephyr for testing and perhaps something else was one of the add-ons they had, but I don't remember if anything else. [03:43]
AMcBain Yeah but GitHub's issue tracker has about as many useful features as a plain hamburger. [03:44]
Faux As a 1000APM starcraft player, that's 116 actions I'm losing! [03:44]
sonOfRa JIRA is the fucking worst [03:44]
sonOfRa I thought I misconfigured it or something when I ran it on my quite beefy hardware once and it was slow [03:44]
KekSi oh dear god, don't even get me started on how retarded zephyr is [03:44]
sonOfRa Turns out it's just [03:44]
sonOfRa slow [03:44]
Faux Github's is inexcusably slow, yes. JIRA's is >3x worse. [03:44]
AMcBain I honestly don't recall having any issues with speed. Seriously. [03:45]
Faux JIRA reject ICMP for fucks sake. [03:45]
KekSi big picture takes >1min to render an epic with <50 stories [03:45]
AMcBain Well we didn't use those so I can't say. [03:45]
Faux Yeah, our project has ~200 tasks and like 15 open. [03:45]
KekSi if you think that's acceptable you're wrong [03:46]
AMcBain I won't claim all add-ons are fast. [03:46]
AMcBain Oh heck no. [03:46]
Faux It's hosted. No addons. [03:46]
KekSi we tried the hosted one and boss wanted this particular addon which wasn't compatible with the cloud variant so we went back to the pain of selfhosting it [03:46]
Faux github is resolving to AMS (Amsterdam?) and is 12ms away. So nice being in the centre of modern civilisation. [03:46]
Faux Sure hope nobody.. exits. [03:47]
sonOfRa D [03:47]
KekSi next thing we have to go through the pain of hosting it on the internet within our networks [03:47]
KekSi Faux: maybe you'll be accessing it in australia within 5 years [03:47]
KekSi when some moronic politicians go hard on national interest thinking [03:47]
Faux 8% of the latency to github.com is through my home network. [03:48]
KekSi without listening to any technical advisors [03:48]
Faux Fuck the internet is amazing. [03:48]
Faux (There are four switches for Reasons.) [03:48]
AMcBain You like emulating an original telephone network? :P [03:48]
Faux I like having wifi which involves having an AP every four meters, because that's the effective range of a $100 wifi AP, so yes. [03:49]
AMcBain ) [03:49]
AMcBain I solved that problem by living in an apartment small enough I don't have to care. :P [03:49]
Faux So long as the apartment is perfectly circular (not spherical, that doesn't work), and has nothing inside, and is a perfect faraday cage on the outside, I can see that working. [03:51]
Faux Up to a radius of maybe 6m. [03:51]
Faux You probably also need damping material on the interior walls. [03:52]
AMcBain heh [03:52]
AMcBain It reaches the spots I'm likely to stand or sit, so I don't care. The things that do care are directly attached to the only router with ethernet. :) [03:53]
KekSi well it gets better depending on the the channel/frequency you use [03:53]
sonOfRa Huh [03:53]
Faux It does not. [03:53]
sonOfRa I think the cable on my G700s is fucked after not even 2 years [03:53]
KekSi if a lot of ppl use the same then APs just end up in a shouting match [03:53]
sonOfRa Random disconnects when operating in wired mode [03:53]
KekSi but agreed, wifi is shit in general [03:54]
Faux (Neighbours are irrelevant here because I /do/ live in the aforementioned faraday cage.) [03:54]
AMcBain Which is why we should all submit to 5G deathrays! ;P [03:54]
sonOfRa wifi's fast enough for my phone and laptop, but my desktop is wired up, I just put some holes in the walls for cables [03:54]
KekSi and even all the high end stuff that suggests being oh-so-great and multi-GBits throughput [03:54]
KekSi it's bullshit and even 100MBit over copper beats it at pretty much everything [03:55]
AMcBain You could be living in the shadow of the Greenbank Radio Telescope where they've banned WiFi, cell signals are almost non-existent, and I believe you can't even have a microwave. [03:55]
KekSi oh that reminds me of a story about a microwave or something messing with a radio telescope in australia [03:56]
AMcBain but you may not want to live there for other reasons. A bunch of people who thought power lines, radio signals, and WiFi were making them sick moved there. [03:56]
KekSi https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years [03:56]
KekSi KekSi's title: "Microwave oven to blame for mystery signal that left astronomers stumped | Science | The Guardian" [03:56]
grug oh heres a link to my talk i did the other day in bristol [03:56]
grug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2G-ilPtnU&t=2189s [03:56]
grug grug's title: "Dave Cooper - (Front end) mocking made easy with data-mocks - YouTube" [03:56]
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KekSi so it's a moron-hotspot? [03:57]
sonOfRa BIRD [03:57]
Faux KekSi: Hotspot? TRIGGERED [03:57]
AMcBain KekSi, supposedly. I did visit there once for vacation (to see the telescope, go rock climbing, whatnot) and didn't run into anyone claiming as much, but likelihood of someone just spouting it off to us was probably low. [03:58]
KekSi yeah, not all people who believe nonsense are all that vocal about it and just think they'll keep this "knowledge" to themselves and friends [03:58]
KekSi which somehow makes them even worse ppl [03:59]
AMcBain or they've learned they don't like being called crazy so they stop talking about it to strangers. [03:59]
AMcBain 'cause if I wasn't restrained the first thing out of my mouth would be "A blind study was run on this. It's all in your head." [03:59]
AMcBain has constant low-grade headaches but he's not about to blame it on "teh WiFis" [04:00]
Faux I blame it on "teh nodebois". [04:01]
AMcBain I currently don't have to interact with anyone doing any nodejs work so I can't even do that. [04:01]
Faux You are interacting with me, and I am going near nodejs. It might be infectious. [04:01]
AMcBain Nah. I'd sooner blame SharePoint. ;) [04:02]
Faux I wouldn't call it "work" because that implies some kind of expectation of useful outcome. [04:02]
Faux aaaaaaaa [04:02]
AMcBain ahahahaha [04:02]
AMcBain has already run into a few of their questionable choices. [04:05]
AMcBain <repeatForever>FALSE</repeatForever> -> this actually means it DOES repeat forever. [04:05]
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grug WHOOOOOOO [04:24]
Faux > npm test 426.65s user 24.76s system 147% cpu 5:07.00 total [04:24]
AMcBain ... [04:25]
Faux microservices eh [04:25]
AMcBain I prefer macroservices. It's where you host a whole bunch of Raspberry Pis with one service each. :P [04:30]
Faux Literally more secure than docker. [04:33]
AMcBain hehehe [04:35]
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KekSi not necessarily [06:37]
AMcBain Well one of those CPU bugs did affect ARM stuff, iirc, but not the ARM used in the Raspberry Pis. [06:49]
AMcBain This is absolutely crazy (in a nifty way): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSLJriaOumA [07:04]
AMcBain AMcBain's title: "A Style-Based Generator Architecture for Generative Adversarial Networks - YouTube" [07:04]
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KekSi yup, some scary shit [07:14]
KekSi be happy some research is shown rather than someone who .. lets say .. wants to see the world burn and makes up a video of trump insulting putin and the like or talking about invasion plans of some country [07:15]
KekSi it's possibly world-ending tech when it's in the wrong hands (in combination with something like deep fakes) [07:16]
AMcBain Perhaps so. [07:19]
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fotato I though macroservices were where your entire architecture is replaced by an overcomplicated excel spreadsheet. [07:54]
Faux Wonder if the sprint is open yet so I can do some work. [08:12]
fotato Don?t you just do work in secret [08:14]
fotato Had a weird discussion in sprint planning yesterday where the answer was ?write some fucking benchmarks? [08:15]
Faux I like to finish two weeks of sprint tasks during the previous sprints' retro to make it clear how much respect I have for their planning process. [08:15]
fotato And nobody wanted to listen [08:15]
fotato So we spent half an hour talking about it. [08:15]
fotato That was one of the reasons my Monday sucked. [08:15]
Faux Classic, [08:16]
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fotato Waz is here. He will write our benchmarks. [08:28]
Faux Wazmarks. [08:29]
waz done [08:33]
scav ron: ??? [08:39]
fotato Thanks waz [08:42]
fotato Thaz [08:42]
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freeone3000 KekSi: So-called "deep fakes" are literally gan style transfer applied to video [09:37]
freeone3000 So it's an evolution of video application. Double-gan transfer is novel but not necessarily interesting. [09:37]
freeone3000 (We've been working in this area for a bit; the NeurIPS 2019 papers have some interesting examples. Also please note that these are cherry-picked, we still need human review for them to be useful fakes; uncontrolled, the noise vectors tend to overwhelm the style vectors and we're not sure why) [09:38]
KekSi freeone3000: my point still stands though: how close are we to a sufficiently motivated and skilled adversary to start ww3? i'm guessing quite [09:46]
KekSi closer than ever [09:47]
freeone3000 Huh? I don't think conventional war is going to be a large-scale thing that happens again. [09:49]
ron scav: !!! [09:50]
freeone3000 It's probably going to come as an attack on democracy, social organizations, fabric of society, mutual trust, and faith in the entire process of government. [09:50]
KekSi yeah, no, i think it is and within our lifetime [09:50]
ron weather fort collins [09:50]
ron Weather for Fort Collins, CO | 33 F (1 C) feels like 24 F (-4 C) | humidity at 31% | Clear | 7:50 AM [09:50]
ron almost summer [09:50]
freeone3000 weather montreal, quebec [09:50]
freeone3000 Weather for Montreal, Quebec | 1 F (-17 C) feels like -16 F (-27 C) | humidity at 66% | Overcast | 9:50 AM [09:50]
freeone3000 Also, with their 20cm of snow today: [09:51]
freeone3000 weather seattle [09:51]
freeone3000 Weather for Seattle, WA | 33 F (1 C) feels like 27 F (-3 C) | humidity at 92% | light rain mist | 6:51 AM [09:51]
KekSi obviously it's going to go hand-in-hand with your mentioned things and be framed as a move to free people from oppression [09:51]
KekSi weather mainz [09:51]
KekSi Weather for Mainz, Germany | 37 F (3 C) feels like 29 F (-2 C) | humidity at 65% | Partly Cloudy | 3:51 PM [09:51]
KekSi lies, it's 10C out and i'm wearing a thin leather jacket [09:51]
KekSi if i were scottish i'd be wearing shorts [09:51]
freeone3000 which oppression? nobody cares about the Russian people particularly, China the people don't feel oppressed (or at least they keep saying so), and it's not as if Americans are in any particular fear of going to war. [09:52]
freeone3000 probably some minor nation-state where we have a few hours or weeks of conflict, an imaginary line changes places, and we have to update olson tzdata again [09:52]
freeone3000 few hundred thousand or a couple million die, whatever. [09:52]
freeone3000 nothing that actually impacts global commerce. [09:53]
KekSi oh well, i can totally see russia or china invading someone [09:54]
freeone3000 yeah, but not the us, and not each other. [09:54]
freeone3000 russia *already* invaded the ukraine. [09:54]
KekSi like being fed up with north korea or wanting ressources from someone else [09:54]
freeone3000 we got 4chan memes because the special procesutor was hot. [09:54]
KekSi yea, that's what i meant [09:54]
KekSi their reasoning for the crimea invasion being all those russians there [09:54]
freeone3000 faked election, invasion, "peacekeeping", whole nine yards, they changed the tzdata for Crimea to Moscow and everyone pretty much moved on. [09:55]
KekSi yeah, what's stopping them from doing the same thing to the baltic countries? [09:55]
freeone3000 nothing. it just won't affect anything. [09:55]
KekSi their excuse for "all those russia-supporting people there" (whom they moved there after WW2 to mingle with the locals) [09:55]
KekSi but you still think that sort of armed conflict isn't going to happen again? [09:56]
freeone3000 the requirement for 'ww3' is several equally matched major powers or alliances and for it to happen on a global scale [09:56]
KekSi well, it starts with something like that (as the other 2 did) [09:57]
freeone3000 baltic countries would be for sure the minor nation-state above with a few hours or weeks of conflict. how long was crimea? two months? about that at the outside. [09:57]
freeone3000 nah, ww1 was due to a huge secret alliance chain, and for ww2 they literally had to invade *france*. [09:57]
freeone3000 and then attack the us *directly* [09:57]
freeone3000 so as long as you avoid actually attacking any of the major powers? it's fair to say they'll stay out. [09:57]
KekSi also poland [09:57]
freeone3000 of course we'll continue to have proxy conflicts (korea, vietnam, afghanistan) but those are relatively minor. [09:58]
freeone3000 we had an ex secdef on left-right-center go on and say that the afghanistan conflict is "indefinitely sustainable" [09:58]
KekSi estonia, lithuania and latvia are all in NATO [10:01]
KekSi invading those will be a lot diferent from crimea [10:02]
freeone3000 sure. so don't invade lithuania for its postage stamps [10:04]
surial The game theory on war is thus: Since something like the late 50s or so (sometime after WW2), for vast sections of the populated planet, war is now inefficient. It is more efficient to trade. Even taking into account that tragedy of the commons scenarios may well result in suboptimal results, even for a single 'player', war is inefficient now. The remedial value of having people that you have absolutely no control over is [10:13]
surial higher because of trade, versus when you roll in tanks and forcibly take control over them. A large part of this, is that in the modern economic situation, the productivity value of a human is far more dependent on their happiness than it used to be. [10:13]
surial in ye olden days, if you whip some fucker and say: PLANT CROPS, SLAVE!!!! ? they'd be about as productive as someone who is doing it of their own free will. [10:14]
surial possibly more productive, even. [10:14]
surial Not so anymore. Until we get to some sort of brainwashing thing where you can conquer another country and have the thing you just conquered provide value clearly in excess of how much value they'd provide you as a neighbouring country war should, in theory, never happen anymore. [10:15]
freeone3000 but if we have the brainwashing thing, why take over at all? [10:15]
surial How the hell you contrast that to the notion that definitely the UK, and highly likely the US, en-masse basically voted to kick themselves in the balls... \_(?)_/ yeah that's making me doubt a few things too. [10:15]
freeone3000 speaking of which, we now have a bipartisan budgetary proposal, three days ahead of schedule! [10:16]
surial also there's the whole 1984 thing, where 2 ruling parties of separate countries make a secret pact to hold a fake war with quite real costs (in lives and economy) because this lets them effectively 'brainwash' the populace in supporting the status quo where the plebs are fucked and a small ruling class gets to enjoy lots of benefits. [10:17]
surial A large part of why I doubt that is sustainable is that the ruling class, too, needs to be en-masse brainwashed: Most people just cannot sustain knowlingly being a bond villian. Like the notion of a big group maintaining a secret, that is literally unbelievable: Someone would break rank. [10:18]
surial Some sort of conspiracy involving a self-selected group of up to 10 people, yeah maybe. [10:18]
freeone3000 what if we're bond villians by accident? https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Y155adw8qn9pm1hekoAXiBxIldo=/0x0:667x500/1200x800/filters:focal(0x0:667x500)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49518141/zuckerberg_s7_vr_launch_big.0.jpg [10:19]
surial freeone3000: so, in a matter of hours rush limbaugh, anne coulter, etc are going to say 'if trump doesnt veto it, hes done for', and trump fresh off another one of those 'uh since when is open fucking racism okay in your country, usians, what the fuck?' rallies, will listen to that, and veto it. [10:19]
freeone3000 surial: yep, but we've probably got the votes to override this time [10:19]
surial at which point republicans, instead of angling for a veto proof majority, will just make up some horsemanure about how this is then again the democrats fault because republicans decided to voluntarily cut off their balls, put it in a jar, wrap it with a little bow, and give it to trump, whilst trump was busy doing the same thing and handing his misshapen nuts to coulter and co. [10:20]
ron man, I wish we could go here a week without mentioning trump. I don't recall us bringing up obama as much. [10:20]
surial ron: it was just a lot less appropriate to talk about balls in jars with that guy. [10:20]
ron politics in general would be great to put in a jar, wrap it with a little bow, and throw into the eternal void. [10:20]
ron you've mentioned him twice. at least. [10:21]
surial freeone3000: I don't even understand how the fuck we got here. [10:21]
ron didn't actually bother reading the full rant. [10:21]
surial freeone3000: I've seen the first hot takes on the bipartisan proposal that's on the table now. [10:21]
Faux (video call with 60+ people) < northerner> Sorry if this is a bit slow, I got me a new mouse and it's a bit naff, new one coming tomorrow. < israelis> Naff? What is naff? < northerner> It means shit, mate. [10:22]
surial If I understand correctly, it reads: "Everything the dems wanted since the shutdown, with not a single millimeter moved on anything, not even utterly inconsequential lipservice so trump/repubs have something to point at in a vain attempt to not look like they just blindly gave up on any sort of negotiations." [10:22]
freeone3000 surial: well, we actually invented a new crazy demand in order to not actually get it, but other than that, yes. [10:22]
freeone3000 dems did, rather. [10:22]
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surial I respect pelosi's newly invigorated skill at playing the game, but, how, exactly, DID she manage to be in a situation where she's got mcconnell by the balls and is threatening to squeeze? [10:23]
surial ron: see? This is fun. [10:23]
freeone3000 Republicans controlled both houses of congress for two years and he did jack-all? [10:23]
surial freeone3000: which demand is that? [10:23]
freeone3000 surial: Hard limit on the number of people in CBP custody concurrently. [10:24]
surial freeone3000: Oh i know all that, repubs traitorous scum. [10:24]
ron surial: what is? I'm not reading your and freeone3000's blur of text [10:24]
surial But why did they decide today that 'oh wait we have no fucking clue what the hell were supposed to do now that we are the government' actually means you should just take the plans the adults in the room provided and not fuck with em? [10:24]
surial ron: talking about politics with such crass terminology as 'balls' and 'squeezing'. [10:24]
freeone3000 Dunno but it would have been nice if they decided that two years ago, they migth have gotten something *done* [10:25]
ron Faux: since Israel was a British colony before (or at least its geographical area), Israelis reject british and only know american english. [10:25]
ron surial: no, not really. [10:25]
freeone3000 It also doesn't include anything about the New Green Deal, which will be voted on separately, or a new tax bracket for $10m+ [10:26]
freeone3000 which is what the democrats in the house are pointing to as signs of compromise on twitter. [10:26]
freeone3000 It's nice to see a bunch of democrats actually able to play politics for once. [10:28]
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Faux ron: They are also rude like Americans, yes. [10:33]
ron Faux: much much much much more. [10:34]
ron Americans are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too polite. [10:34]
Faux Everyone is so rude it's hard for me to tell. [10:34]
freeone3000 Americans aren't really rude. They're ... fake polite. [10:34]
Faux Not compared to British people. [10:35]
freeone3000 Compared to Montreal? It's grating. [10:35]
ron the problem with brits that they think everyone is rude is because they have a giant stick up their butt [10:35]
ron take it [10:35]
ron relax a little [10:35]
ron enjoy life [10:35]
Faux I like my stick. I am it, it is me. [10:35]
ron take it *out* [10:35]
freeone3000 ron: or not [10:35]
Faux take it bitch [10:36]
ron then be insulted by every little shit, what do I care [10:36]
freeone3000 "Reflect on how staying off email, meetings and chats outside working hours makes you feel. If you like it, keep it up!" [10:48]
freeone3000 that's some impressive veiled shade [10:49]
waz it's the big shits you need to care about [11:14]
ron waz: like me? I'm a big shit ;) [11:18]
surial freeone3000: the new green deal is an extremely ambitious statement of a dream. It contains absolutely no workable policies. I'm not bashing on it; you gotta start someplace. but voting on it is effectively saying: "Yup, we need to do something about the environment. Let's take a vote, all in favour? Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyy".. [11:21]
surial freeone3000: so, heh, yeah, if the tradeoff is 'okay, no wall, and in trade, no new green deal stuff either', good on the democratis. [11:22]
sonOfRa "I would never question the rule of law, but sometimes it's annoying when we want to remove asylum seekers from our countries. We can find better solutions, it's easy, we just need to start" - german police union rep [11:29]
sonOfRa s/countries/country [11:30]
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fotato ron: politics is invariably replaced with politics [11:57]
fotato because at some point someone's going to sit down with a group of people and go 'so we need to figure out how to organise ourselves' [11:57]
fotato and there will be a discussion [11:57]
fotato lo and behold: politics. [11:57]
Faux sonOfRa: MODERN PROBLEMS REQUIRE MODERN SOLUTIONS [11:59]
ron fotato: yes, politics is an interaction between two people. but you know damn well what I was talking about. [12:18]
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waz https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1095343418480283652 [12:20]
waz waz's title: "Yashar Ali on Twitter: "NEW: Democrats and Republicans tell NBC News that Senate Intelligence has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russiahttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536 "" [12:20]
tang^ why are the politicians reporting this instead of Senate Intelligence? [12:21]
waz isn't senate intelligence committee made of of politicians? [12:23]
waz I know it's controlled by the them [12:23]
waz it's not independent [12:23]
tang^ I mean... shouldn't the headline have been "Senate Intelligence tells NBC News that they have uncovered...." [12:25]
ron free will is an illusion [12:25]
waz because it's been widely reported that both sides had different views of the investigation [12:27]
waz so it makes sense to report when both sides agree on something coming out [12:28]
waz vs "Senate intelligence committee... but minority democrats disagree" [12:28]
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freeone3000 The Senate Intelligence Committee is the senators who are involved in Intelligence matters. [01:49]
freeone3000 I think the headline writer wanted to emphasize that it's bipartisan? Anyway. [01:50]
freeone3000 Fun note, it's the only committee not livestreamed on cable. [01:50]
[twisti] aww shit [02:01]
[twisti] Carmen Argenziano died :( [02:01]
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sonOfRa [twisti]: rip selmak :( [02:09]
[twisti] exactly who he was to me as well [02:09]
[twisti] saw it as a comment to this great post https://imgur.com/gallery/zZTAJyd [02:10]
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