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mal`` [mal``!~mal``] has joined #java-talk [01:08]
KekSi helloooo :) [01:37]
Faux KekSi. [02:05]
acuzio morning ladies [02:14]
acuzio Faux: new Ubuntu ok ? [02:14]
acuzio also , i came back yesterday , smoked a doobie, ate a load of great food prepped by Her and went to sleep [02:15]
Faux It's not an LTS so you probably shouldn't be running it, because you can't be trusted with computers. [02:15]
acuzio Faux: hey, i will have you know i havent burned one down.. [02:16]
acuzio as yet [02:16]
acuzio Anyway , i am now more human - given the 8 hours of sleep [02:16]
Faux My biggest issue with the new Ubuntu is they've put a computer in the Gnome open dialogue so it's now totally fucking useless. [02:17]
acuzio I am on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS [02:17]
acuzio Whats the newest version called ? [02:17]
Faux [02:20]
Faux Faux's title: "Dog-Structured Merge-Tree on Twitter: "Can u imagine making Hafr Jlus Bjrnsson remain fully clothed for FOUR SEASONS this show is HOMOPHOBIA"" [02:20]
Faux acuzio: Dildo. [02:20]
acuzio really?? [02:29]
[twisti] wtf is a dog-structured merge tree [03:18]
[twisti] also im pretty sure the mountain was half naked durign that duel with oberyn [03:18]
Faux Yeah. [03:19]
Faux Dog-Structured Merge-Tree is a pretty good pun, by twitter standards. The guy writes database engines (on top of log-structured merge trees), but is also a dog. [03:19]
[twisti] i dont think the guy is a dog [03:21]
Faux Did you just misdog him?? [03:23]
[twisti] i think so [03:23]
Faux Bad boy. [03:23]
sonOfRa morning [03:54]
Faux Morning. [03:54]
Faux Significant regrets turning off the linter warning for `} catch (Throwable _ignored) {}`. [03:54]
sonOfRa https://imgur[.]com/tw1Xv9c spoiler for s08e05 [04:04]
[twisti] weak (just like s08e05) [04:18]
sonOfRa I kinda liked the episode, but maybe that was just because how much I disliked the first 4 [04:19]
[twisti] idk 3 was weak but still way better than this clusterfuck of disappointment [04:19]
sonOfRa I felt this was better than 3, but maybe because the "battle plan" in 3 just bothered me to no fucking end [04:28]
sonOfRa But then again, if you watch euron turn into a fucking stormtrooper with his scorpion [04:28]
sonOfRa And just every single one of those scorpions becoming stormtroopers [04:28]
scav Just five minutes I was going to spend on fixing this node project. Five minutes, then I had to use npm, which uses the very common JS implementation of nondeterministic luck based computing. [04:48]
[twisti] "the very common JS implementation of nondeterministic luck based computing" i wish i could do the 'laughing while crying' smiley on irc [04:50]
scav It's fine, I'll do the crying from here [04:56]
Faux Modern npm is fixed! [05:28]
Faux I mean. Significantly improved. It's far from actually good. [05:28]
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[twisti] Field fixed = Status.class.getField("FIXED"); fixed.setAcessible(true); Field mods = Field.class.getDeclaredField("modifiers"); mods.setAccessible(true); mods.setInt(fixed, fixed.getModifiers() & ~Modifier.FINAL); fixed.set(null, "meh"); [05:59]
[twisti] for mutable definitions of "fixed" [06:00]
grug asdasdasf [06:34]
Faux Hi grugnant. [06:35]
fotato Howdiddly gruggo [06:35]
grug how are we? [06:35]
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fotato Gymming. [07:10]
[twisti] [07:13]
grug [twisti]: haha that's great [07:18]
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Faux acuzio: [08:19]
Faux lab/brex collab [08:20]
fotato I was reading an article about impossible/beyond and the line ?the market for vegetable based faux meat? made me snort. [08:24]
fotato You?ve ruined the word for me Faux. [08:24]
Faux k [08:24]
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sonOfRa is it about faux's meat [08:44]
sonOfRa Or is faux a vegetable [08:44]
sonOfRa or is it both [08:44]
Faux I am unable to read the sentece at all. [08:44]
Faux sent-esse, italian accent. [08:44]
sonOfRa >HBO offered D&D 10 episodes but they refused [08:45]
sonOfRa whyyyy [08:45]
fotato I think we are missing details here [08:55]
fotato I believe they were offered 10 regular length episodes [08:55]
fotato Instead they went with 6 *feature length* ones. [08:56]
fotato Total runtime the same. [08:56]
grug i'm going to be sad when it is finished [08:57]
fotato Ur already p sad lol [08:58]
sonOfRa fotato: except it was 2 regular length episode and 4 80 minute episodes, which is ~430 minutes. [08:59]
sonOfRa Season 7 had more runtime [08:59]
fotato Oh huh [08:59]
fotato I mean these are the writers who shat on the end of LOST [08:59]
sonOfRa average episode length was 54 minutes until now, so s1-s6 had roughtly 540 minutes of runtime, s7 had 450, s8 has 430 [09:00]
fotato or was it shat *out* [09:00]
sonOfRa (when they announced all episodes would be feature-length originally, I expected 6 episodes with *at least* 100 minutes each [09:01]
sonOfRa ) [09:01]
fotato I like that are letting a tv show ruin our enjoyment of life. [09:02]
fotato We* are [09:02]
sonOfRa \o/ [09:02]
fotato Meanwhile America is going to war with [09:03]
fotato rolls dice [09:03]
fotato Iran? [09:03]
[twisti] sonOfRa: maybe the final episode will be 160 minutes [09:03]
sonOfRa no [09:03]
sonOfRa the runtimes are already known [09:03]
fotato IT IS KNOWN [09:04]
sonOfRa 79 mins for the final ep [09:04]
freeone3000 That's feature-length! [09:11]
freeone3000 Bride of Frankenstein was shorter. The Circus was shorter. The Nightmare Before Christmas was 76 minutes! [09:12]
sonOfRa technically correct. The best kind of correct [09:15]
Faux I have an attention span of 40 minutes and can survive 76 minutes without going to the bathroom. [09:16]
Faux So it's feature length enough for me! [09:16]
sonOfRa According to the Academy, a feature film is longer than 40 minutes, so literally every GoT episode so far has been feature length [09:16]
Faux What's the EU video camera limit? (What'll it be next, square bananas?!?!?!) I think it's 40 minutes. [09:17]
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Faux 30 minutes, apparently. [09:17]
Faux People claiming it ends Jul 2019. [09:19]
fotato I?ve never had a banana last thirty minutes. [09:20]
sonOfRa Faux: what limit? [09:22]
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fotato Hi whaley. [09:22]
fotato shoot I missed a few. [09:24]
fotato What?s the Baratheon motto? [09:24]
sonOfRa Don't go hunting drunk [09:24]
fotato ?More wine and whores!?? [09:24]
sonOfRa D [09:24]
Faux sonOfRa: There's a 1 bajillionty percent import duty on any professional video camera, which is defined as a still camera which can record for over 30 minutes. Hence, every camera (e.g. smartphone, slr) sold in the EU has a 30 minute cap. [09:24]
sonOfRa lmao [09:24]
Faux I am reminded of this amazing chart: [09:27]
KekSi i actually downloaded got 805 from mega while on a taxi in bangkok [09:28]
freeone3000 Faux: Log plots are for wimps [09:28]
KekSi so i could watch that on the plane [09:28]
KekSi D [09:28]
sonOfRa Faux: log plots are for treehuggers [09:28]
sonOfRa oh hey [09:28]
sonOfRa freeone3000 :D [09:29]
Faux Doesn't really have the same impact, does it? [09:29]
Faux dog plots are where it's at [09:29]
freeone3000 also shit that is a log plot [09:29]
Faux nah [09:29]
Faux They just got bored of labelling the axes. [09:29]
sonOfRa nah each line is 20k [09:29]
Faux 20kk. [09:30]
sonOfRa Oh right [09:30]
freeone3000 also mirrorless production is great! I've wanted a mirrorless since my smartphone camera sucks. [09:30]
fotato Wow. [09:30]
fotato TIL. [09:30]
Faux I was surprised to hear that professionals (e.g. wedding photographers) are using mirrorless now. [09:30]
Faux Not sure I want to hear any hot takes on how mirrorless has been better than mirrored since 2003 tho. [09:30]
sonOfRa is now going to leave my camera app running for 30 minutes and see if it quits [09:31]
freeone3000 it's the same sensor with different construction, the difference is the viewfinder is digital but that's actually potentially *more* accurate [09:31]
freeone3000 the periscope does weird flippy optics stuff [09:31]
Faux I think that counts as a hot take, freeone3000. [09:32]
freeone3000 ...but it's true [09:32]
Faux What's the processing time on your display? Is it literally zero? [09:32]
freeone3000 nah but neither is shutter speed so whatever. [09:32]
Faux Not interested in shutter speed, I'm interested in the live preview update rate. [09:32]
[twisti] sonOfRa: haha im 3 minutes ahead of you [09:33]
Faux The EU law does say that the law is being "phased out over three years ending Jul 2019", and "some devices". [09:33]
Faux i.e. I don't have a definitive sauce. [09:33]
freeone3000 Z6 is 60 ms [09:34]
Faux My mirror adds about 3cm, so 0.1ns, 600,000,000 times faster? [09:35]
freeone3000 and the more expensive ones actually buffer so you can just grab everything from 1s ago to current and fix it up later in post [09:35]
Faux Only up to 30 minutes, though.i [09:38]
freeone3000 also dang I was just looking at a point-n-shoot for reasonable prices but better than my smartphone camera and better than the Fujifilm that came with my laptop in college [09:40]
freeone3000 (It has 6.3 megapixels!) [09:40]
[twisti] i got a cheap eos 1300d (canon rebel 5 i think ?) [09:41]
[twisti] im thinking of putting a zoom lens on it [09:41]
[twisti] any advice ? ive never had a zoom lens, but i often have problems getting close enough to stuff i like [09:41]
KekSi i have a sony mirrorless APS-C camera and i'm quite happy with it [09:42]
KekSi would prefer a full size sensor and was thinking about getting a A7R III or something [09:43]
KekSi but they're just very expensive [09:43]
KekSi other than that it's small, lightweight and well done and most everything else comes down to the lenses [09:46]
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fotato The a7ii is reasonable KekSi. I have it. [09:53]
fotato Get one used. [09:53]
fotato It?s almost certainly more camera than most people including you need. [09:53]
KekSi no doubt about this part [09:54]
KekSi a6000 is mine [09:54]
KekSi [09:54]
KekSi [09:54]
KekSi [09:54]
KekSi [09:54]
fotato Also good. The nice thing about the E mount is that you can use FE lenses on it [09:55]
KekSi 4 pics from last week on koh pha-ngan (island to the left/background is koh samui) [09:55]
fotato So you can buy the lenses now while you figure out when to upgrade the body. FWIW the a6000 has a really good AF. [09:56]
KekSi those are the as-is shots from jpeg i downloaded over wifi from the camera directly [09:56]
KekSi havent done anything with the raws yet [09:56]
KekSi yeah, the AF is quite fast and quite good usually [09:57]
KekSi those pictures were shot on a tripod with a 12mm prime lens though (no AF) [09:57]
Faux Hot. [09:58]
KekSi the thunderstorm over koh samui was really local to that small area [09:58]
KekSi even the one with the fat guy in it [09:58]
KekSi 10s delayed timer :D [09:59]
Faux [twisti]: REPORT [09:59]
KekSi no idea how i managed to stay still enough for 6s exposure [09:59]
[twisti] Faux: report what [09:59]
sonOfRa Faux: so my battery died [09:59]
Faux D [09:59]
sonOfRa We'll never know [09:59]
Faux [twisti]: 30 minutes should be up. [09:59]
KekSi D [09:59]
[twisti] oh, i got a call and it stopped the video [09:59]
Faux CONFIRMED [10:00]
KekSi well, that's *one* way of limiting it [10:00]
[twisti] i totally forgot [10:00]
Faux No smartphone has managed to record over 30 minutes. [10:00]
Faux Sample size: 2./ [10:00]
[twisti] lol [10:00]
[twisti] my battery is too low for another attempt actually [10:00]
Faux Sample size: 3. [10:00]
[twisti] oi, thats still the same phone [10:00]
[twisti] you sample your size right back down to 2, buddy [10:01]
Faux It's still a sample! [10:01]
freeone3000 Huh, my smartphone can. [10:03]
sonOfRa Canada is not europe, as much as it tries to be france [10:03]
Faux Still can't get over the fact that France doesn't have colonies/overseas territories. They're just part of France. [10:05]
Faux here is a map of France, and hence a subset of the EU. [10:07]
Faux Faux's title: "File:France in the World (+Antarctica claims).svg - Wikipedia" [10:07]
fotato someone pls buy me kthx. [10:10]
fotato wait wrong link [10:10]
sonOfRa fotato: I'll buy you ;) [10:10]
fotato fotato's title: "The Upside Down - 75810 | Stranger Things | LEGO Shop" [10:10]
fotato sonOfRa: bitch you can't afford this. [10:10]
freeone3000 Faux: There's one in north america! [10:15]
freeone3000 I can take a ferry to france! [10:16]
Faux Technically you could do that anyway. [10:16]
fotato when does a ferry stop being a ferry and start being a passenger ship? [10:16]
fotato is a ferry a passenger ship? [10:17]
fotato what is a ferry? [10:17]
fotato (baby dont hurt me) [10:17]
ron uh oh [10:17]
Faux I'd argue it's not a ferry if everyone is expected to sleep. [10:17]
fotato i took a "ferry" from italy to greece which had cabins. the journey was >48hrs. [10:17]
fotato or was it >24hrs [10:18]
Faux Compare "shuttle"? [10:18]
fotato i dont remember. [10:18]
Faux Dictionaries favour "especially over a short distance, and/or having a regular service". [10:18]
freeone3000 so are regional airlines air-ferries? [10:18]
freeone3000 Airbus's name makes a lot more sense. Wow. [10:19]
fotato ferrydeez. [10:19]
Faux freeone3000: It's probably a valid use of the verb "to ferry", if not the noun, I'd say. [10:20]
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KekSi i have a oneplus phone [10:30]
ron youre so cool [10:30]
KekSi i wonder if a chinese company gives a fuck about such a thing [10:30]
KekSi though the longest video i've shot is like 26min [10:31]
Faux You probably have to declare it as part of your Chinese Export certification. [10:31]
KekSi 26:57 was the video i shot while driving through koh chang last year [10:32]
KekSi so sadly never got to the 30min [10:32]
freeone3000 KekSi: They don't on the OnePlus 3! [10:36]
freeone3000 But also the Google Pixel seems fine with it [10:36]
freeone3000 I keep wanting to like FastMail but I managed to go through my entire free trial and not use it. [10:40]
freeone3000 Also their 2FA is rather anemic. [10:40]
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freeone3000 Also, FYI: If you guys get a Windows patch today or tomorrow, please install it. [11:06]
surial KekSi: nice work. 1250 ISO with 15 sec exposure? Cripes that's dark. Except if I run 15s exposures I tend to get smeared stars, I always thought that was the movement of stars during the night. [11:06]
freeone3000 I love it when we get an email with bad english. You just have this wave of "Floor piercing?" muttered quizzically aloud, in sort of a wave. [11:09]
fotato i prefer it when someone emails the entire company and people keep replying-all to it saying "please stop oh god" [11:11]
fotato a wave of notification bings sweeps the office. [11:11]
fotato Faux: were you at previous_employer when the Loud Laughy Guy laughed so loud he got a round of applause that swept every single floor? [11:12]
Faux Yes. [11:12]
fotato that was such a good day [11:12]
Faux I still can't believe the chubby dinosaur is a father. [11:13]
fotato the.... what? [11:13]
fotato who? [11:13]
fotato that description could apply to so many people. [11:14]
freeone3000 obviously [11:14]
fotato ohgodicanseewhohestalkingabout [11:14]
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whaley that show as horribad [11:29]
fotato WHAT IS BAD CAN NEVER BE... BAD? [11:35]
fotato this saying is stupid whaley [11:35]
fotato we must inform the ironborn. [11:35]
whaley after we fuck the queen [11:36]
fotato you first, she seems kinda murder happy [11:36]
ron so many spoilers you guys suck [11:36]
whaley what spoilers? [11:37]
fotato says the guy who isn't even planning to watch it. [11:37]
ron I didn't say I wasn't going to watch it [11:37]
fotato saying 'wow cersei is a bit murdery' is about as spoilery as saying "huh darth vader seems like he might be a bit evil" [11:41]
ron you still suck [11:41]
fotato and snape kills dumbledore. [11:41]
whaley DUMBLEDORE DIES?! [11:41]
whaley fuck fotato [11:42]
whaley stop with the spoilers [11:42]
sonOfRa Snape kills Gandalf and Frodo destroys the Horcrux in Mt Doom [11:42]
ron I need to pee [11:42]
Faux pee destroys toilet stains [11:42]
whaley Darth Maul dies at the end of ep1 [11:42]
freeone3000 Snape kills Trinity with Rosebud. [11:43]
whaley Katniss kills President Snow [11:47]
whaley Katniss kills errybody [11:47]
sonOfRa Also CLEGANEBOWL [11:48]
whaley sonOfRa: GET HYPE [11:48]
fotato Neo saves a ton of money on his car insurance by being dead along. [11:48]
fotato *dead all along [11:48]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: You're up to date? [11:49]
sonOfRa yes [11:49]
fotato this needs reposting here [11:49]
whaley I love that there's an actual subreddit devoted to this [11:49]
whaley whaley's title: "CleganeBowl - 'The Work Continues'" [11:49]
whaley (SPOILER ALERT) [11:49]
whaley (FUCKING CONFIRMED) [11:53]
whaley <--- I need this as a desktop background (WARNING: SPOILERS) [12:01]
whaley (WARNING: FUCKING HYPE) [12:01]
fotato i bet whaley can deadlift more than Hafthor right now. Just on the hypefuel. [12:09]
ron I wanna see whaley deadlift [12:11]
whaley not happening [12:11]
whaley not until I eat all of your fuckin chickens [12:11]
ron while they're fucking? [12:11]
fotato whaley brings the dankest memes [12:12]
freeone3000 dang, YTMND is shut down [12:13]
fotato If ron owns zero chickens, have you already eaten them? [12:13]
whaley fotato: yes, little bird [12:14]
sonOfRa the cinematography in this episode was awesome in general [12:15]
whaley sonOfRa: absolutely [12:15]
freeone3000 If we rated shows by cinematography, The Grand Tour would be one of the best shows of all time. [12:16]
fotato The grand tour reuses shots all the time [12:16]
freeone3000 Yep. [12:17]
freeone3000 But they're GOOD shots. [12:17]
fotato And overuses CPL filters [12:17]
fotato And colour grades fucking aggressively. [12:17]
freeone3000 how do you overuse a cpl filter? [12:17]
fotato By using them all. The. Time. [12:17]
freeone3000 the last one isn't even a real complaint it's just a thing they do. [12:17]
whaley sonOfRa: my favorite aspect, which someone else pointed out to me, was that the perspective of this was shown from the ground and from the people on the ground almost entirely [12:18]
fotato Literally mentioned by the writers in that behind the scenes thing they do at the end of the ep. [12:19]
whaley I always skip past those two ding dongs talking [12:19]
freeone3000 They do a behind the scenes thing at the end of the ep? [12:20]
whaley I kind of hate how HBO has the producers/directors/whoever doing an explanation for you after the episodes (this happens on lots of shows). [12:20]
fotato Yes. [12:20]
fotato Sometimes it?s useful [12:21]
fotato Other times it?s ?we wanted to convey how angry the character was so they?re making an angry face? [12:21]
fotato Also how about that watchmen trailer eh? [12:22]
whaley I'm looking forward to that because the same dude that did The Leftovers is running that show [12:22]
fotato I wonder which ending they?ll run with [12:23]
whaley I know nothing about it other than there was a movie not too long ago based on some graphic novel/comic thing [12:23]
fotato Giant fake alien squid comic ending or movie [12:23]
fotato Jesus fuck I just really spoiled it. [12:23]
whaley nice [12:23]
fotato You should really read the book. It?s fairly required reading for anyone who claims to like comics. [12:24]
fotato Dave gibbons and Alan Moore at their best. [12:24]
fotato And there?s a book IN the book. [12:24]
whaley I hate comics, for the record [12:24]
fotato Why? [12:24]
whaley hate is too strong of a word... let's just say I've never got into them [12:25]
fotato Watchmen isn?t really typical of comics. [12:26]
ron austrian have a weird accent in english [12:27]
fotato Says the guy with a weird accent in English [12:27]
ron but it's not an israeli accent [12:27]
ron it's just weird [12:27]
freeone3000 you mean like, people from Austria? [12:28]
ron it's a soution, ya? [12:28]
freeone3000 Yes. Lots of pople have weird accents in english. [12:28]
fotato Can confirm ron has an Austrian accent. [12:28]
ron ya [12:28]
fotato Ja [12:28]
ron ya [12:29]
ron zis is vat ve need ya [12:33]
fotato We are sinking! [12:33]
fotato What are you sinking about? [12:33]
ron AN-GOOOO-LAR YA?! [12:36]
ron YA?! [12:37]
fotato I think Ron?s being accentist [12:38]
ron OOOH YA?! [12:39]
ron k, I'm bored someone entertain me [12:46]
freeone3000 ron: So GP Providence is actually selling main event registration at a discount. [12:47]
ron wtf are you talking about [12:47]
sonOfRa austrians speaking english just sound like what you would imagine a stereotypical german speaking english would sound like [12:47]
ron sonOfRa: no shit [12:49]
sonOfRa except germans don't speak english like that and austrians just... do [12:49]
ron YA [12:50]
freeone3000 Maybe we've been confusing germans with austrians. [12:50]
freeone3000 I wonder how that could have happened. [12:50]
sonOfRa I guess bavarians do [12:50]
sonOfRa And bavarians are basically austrians [12:50]
ron OOH YA [12:50]
ron jira-- [12:51]
ron jira has a karma level of -13, ron [12:51]
sonOfRa IM LORDE YA YA YA [12:51]
freeone3000 GP Providence is a Team Limited Trios MTG Tournament taking place in Providence, Rhode Island. It's currently being offered at a $20 discount for main event registration, which is a Big Deal, because this means they're trying to stop-loss. [12:52]
freeone3000 Venue's booked, prize pool is announced and locked, prize distribution is set, they can't back out of any of that... but they don't have enough entrants for it to math. [12:53]
fotato ron: go look at yourself in a mirror [12:53]
freeone3000 Possibly because it's TEAM TRIOS LIMITED in fucking Providence on Victoria Day weekend. [12:53]
ron I'm uglyy, no need [12:53]
fotato i mean i find your appearance pretty entertaining [12:53]
ron YA [12:54]
freeone3000 Inbox down to nine emails. [01:04]
fotato one for each circle of hell you're in. [01:04]
ron yawn [01:25]
whaley jira++ [01:25]
whaley jira has a karma level of -12, whaley [01:25]
whaley deadlifts-- [01:25]
whaley deadlifts has a karma level of -1, whaley [01:25]
whaley I' [01:25]
whaley I'd rather updating jira issue status than do the jabroni deadlifts [01:26]
ron you're so cool whaley [01:26]
fotato whaley-- [01:29]
fotato uh [01:29]
fotato whaley-- [01:29]
fotato whaley has a karma level of 603, fotato [01:29]
fotato deadlifts++ [01:29]
fotato deadlifts has a karma level of 0, fotato [01:29]
whaley so much karma [01:29]
fotato foddo++ [01:29]
fotato foddo has a karma level of 59, fotato [01:29]
fotato i miss that guy. [01:29]
ron foddo was a jerk [01:30]
fotato yeah but he was our jerk and he managed to constrain his jerkishness to short lines. [01:30]
fotato i did rack pulls today whaley, what's your hot take on those? [01:31]
whaley worse than deadlifts [01:32]
whaley fuck, if you are going to do something, at least get the full range of motion [01:32]
fotato i gave yo momma a full range of motion [01:32]
whaley hahaha [01:33]
whaley next you are you going to tell me you use blocks on your chest when you bench press [01:33]
fotato wat [01:33]
fotato i did a new exercise today [01:33]
fotato turkish get-ups [01:33]
fotato weird to do [01:33]
fotato [01:33]
fotato fotato's title: "How to Properly Execute a Turkish Getup | Muscle & Fitness" [01:33]
tang^ oh, I remember those [01:36]
[twisti] do you bros ever do burpies [01:36]
whaley yes and I hate every moment of it [01:36]
whaley fotato: that looks pretty awesome actually [01:37]
whaley adds to TODO list [01:37]
[twisti] i was wondering whether that was a bro thing to do [01:37]
whaley I'm too fat to do many of them though [01:38]
[twisti] it looks like ghostery blocks literally that entire page [01:38]
ron I've done turkish getups [01:38]
ron they are 'fun' [01:38]
ron whaley: best nut?! [01:38]
fotato [twisti]: they're called burpees and yes and they're murder [01:39]
fotato usually in a superset with something else. [01:39]
fotato [twisti]: do you do, like, any exercise whatsoever [01:41]
[twisti] well the potato chips are in another room, so ... [01:42]
fotato not asking in a shamey way, i'm trying to figure out some sensible things to recommend. [01:42]
[twisti] also i live on the fifth floor [01:42]
[twisti] oh hell no, i wasnt going to DO burpees [01:42]
[twisti] i was just making conversation [01:42]
fotato oh ok [01:42]
[twisti] im fine with being fat [01:42]
fotato also lives on the fifth floor. ass of a greek god. [01:42]
tang^ pics [01:42]
fotato i dont have any ass pics to hand. [01:43]
fotato i do have a front gym selfie taken recently. [01:43]
[twisti] i bike to and from work most days and i play badminton on the weekend for an hour, and thats the total extent of physical excertion i feel are necessary to offset my huge sweet tooth and my love for all things carbs and/or cheese [01:43]
tang^ that seems pretty reasonable [01:45]
ron fotato: why you never send me that awesome selfie?! [01:46]
fotato but i did. [01:46]
ron umm [01:47]
ron dude [01:47]
ron if it doesn't have yyour face [01:47]
ron it's not a selfie [01:47]
fotato oh but my face isnt important. [01:48]
ron sure, but it's not a selfie [01:48]
fotato i dont think you get to gatekeep selfies, ron [01:48]
ron of course not [01:49]
ron but it's not a selfie [01:49]
ron and calling it a gyym selfie is shameful [01:49]
ron because you don't even flex [01:49]
fotato i dont need to flex. [01:49]
fotato sel·fie [01:49]
fotato /?self?/ [01:49]
fotato noun: selfie; plural noun: selfies; noun: selfy [01:49]
fotato nounINFORMAL [01:49]
fotato a photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam and shared via social media. [01:49]
fotato i dont see 'face' in the definition, ronno. [01:50]
ron oooh [01:50]
ron but how do I know it's yourself? [01:50]
ron if not for your face [01:50]
fotato how do you? [01:50]
ron I do not [01:50]
ron so not a selfie [01:50]
fotato my face is meaningless for identification purposes to 90% of this channel. [01:50]
ron but you sent it to ME, and I know your face, so not a selfie. [01:50]
fotato i think ron's being racist. [01:51]
ron yes [01:51]
ron no [01:51]
ron I mean [01:51]
ron facist [01:51]
fotato whaley: [01:52]
whaley A+ [01:52]
whaley ron: the best nut? I'm partial to cashews [01:53]
ron FINALLY! [01:53]
ron whaley++ [01:53]
ron whaley has a karma level of 604, ron [01:53]
whaley MAZEL TOV [01:53]
tang^ mmm, cashews [01:53]
whaley I like to toast them on the pan a bit and put them in a salad [01:54]
ron whaley: no idea how in english it became 'mazel' [01:54]
whaley ron: because white people are ridiculous [01:54]
fotato i like cashews [01:55]
fotato but i prefer almonds. [01:55]
ron thatt's why yoyu suck fotato [01:55]
fotato literally eats some almonds right now [01:56]
fotato are we talking raw or roasted ? [01:56]
whaley almonds are blah unless roasted or salted [01:56]
fotato raw almonds are _far_ superior to raw cashews [01:56]
whaley they are rather rancid if just raw [01:56]
fotato whaley: DISAGREE [01:56]
ron almonds are boring [01:56]
whaley better nutritionally, supposedly [01:57]
ron because americans don't have real problems, they invent ones [01:58]
ron it's amazing [01:58]
fotato alabama just outlawed abortion. [01:59]
fotato i would argue america has some pretty fucking significant problems. [01:59]
ron no, they're inventing problems [02:00]
fotato did.... did they invent trump? [02:00]
ron like outlawing abortions [02:00]
fotato can we uninvent him> [02:00]
whaley I'd feel better if we just outlawed Alabama [02:00]
ron in a sense, they did invent him, yes. [02:00]
ron that's because you're a racist whaley [02:00]
fotato i dont think you can be racist against racists. [02:01]
whaley no, I just hate country music and college football [02:01]
ron you can if you generalize [02:01]
fotato what is your opinion on Blackberry Smoke whaley [02:01]
whaley worse than michael jackson [02:01]
ron one of my best developers is from alabama [02:01]
fotato i saw them play a mostly acoustic set live recently [02:01]
fotato they're quite good. [02:01]
fotato i bet he's racist. [02:02]
fotato ron "my developers" knorth. [02:02]
ron ah? [02:03]
ron he moved to LA [02:03]
ron so not a racist [02:03]
ron jira-- [02:04]
ron jira has a karma level of -13, ron [02:04]
ron just thinking about having to go over it now is a pain [02:04]
fotato LA? even worse. [02:05]
ron nah, he really is a great kid [02:09]
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ron heh, and of course everyone who voted on the law are men [02:19]
whaley obviously ron has never watched Crash [02:23]
fotato generic style question - if your API expects/returns json formatted request bodies/responses and expects a certain field to to be present in a request, how would you format the error? [02:39]
fotato atm we're putting double quotes around the field name which results in an escaped body which looks dumb. [02:40]
ron huh? [02:40]
fotato atm our response looks something like `{"code":"invalid", "message":"invalid: \"primary_country\" is required"}` [02:42]
fotato i'm thinkin just sub out the double quotes. [02:43]
fotato for single ones [02:43]
fotato or just leave them out entirely? [02:43]
surial fotato: I'm not sure why you think this looks dumb. [02:47]
surial As in, it sounds more like you are saying: "I think if humans actually read or especially edit JSON it turns out it's a dumb fucking useless tit of a format". [02:48]
surial Which is somewhat true and somewhat false. [02:48]
surial But it is what it is. If you use JSON, suck it up. This is how it works. If you really hate it, there are other data formats you could look at. [02:48]
ron fotato: I'm more troubled by the "code" being "invalid". [02:49]
fotato that's..... a differnt thing i need to bring up at another time. [02:50]
fotato it's meant to be used as a friendly version of the http response code. i dont really know why but that's the spec the company landed at. [02:53]
freeone3000 The HTTP response code is more friendly for pretty much any consumer I can think of. [02:59]
ron fotato: the question is whether the errors are expected to be automatically processed by clients. if so, I'd suggest changing the message altogether, or add field to the error response. [03:00]
fotato yeah, that's actually what i'm doing. [03:01]
fotato we have a invalidField error which seems applicable. [03:01]
ron yeah [03:01]
ron and in that case, the 'message' field should be human friendly and not machine friendly [03:02]
fotato yes. [03:02]
fotato it now looks like `{"code":"invalid", "field":"primary_country", "message":"invalid: primary_country is required"}` [03:02]
ron ok. it may be good enough, depending on what other kind of error messages you produce. [03:03]
ron if you can produce errors for example about a field value not being valid, then the error structure is not enough for automatic processing. [03:05]
ron assuming all are sent with the same http status code [03:05]
fotato that's a fair point and one of the other errors i'm looking at is indeed that. [03:06]
ron fucks [03:21]
ron [03:21]
ron fucks [03:21]
ron [03:21]
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[twisti] [03:49]
[twisti] ^ my favourite [03:49]
fotato i remember that being originally posted to b3ta [03:50]
sonOfRa Thank *god* those honing steels and that rusty spoon didn't fall into the wrong hands! [03:54]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Regents Park Police on Twitter: "Yesterday we conducted weapons sweeps,dealt with a person injured from a van reversing on them, reported a burglary and collected all these from @scope charity shop who diligently didnt want them to get into the wrong hands & disposed of correctly & safely"" [03:54]
fotato a helicopter fell into the hudson! [03:54]
fotato [03:54]
fotato fotato's title: "Pilot survives terrifying helicopter crash into Hudson River - CNN" [03:54]
[twisti] sonOfRa: i hear rapier murders are on the rise, its good they are getting those off the streets [03:55]
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fotato > I'd love to have an opportunity to interact with you and explore potential synergies. [03:58]
fotato [twisti]: i read 'rapier' as.... a comparative term. [03:59]
tang^ how about we explore some kinetic potentials [04:00]
fotato i'll get some kinetic synergy going with you [04:03]
[twisti] fotato: i read 'comparative' as 'competitive' [04:03]
fotato i read 'competitive' as .... fuck i actually read it as 'competitive' [04:03]
[twisti] i like that you have fucking on your mind [04:03]
ron competitive as fuck [04:03]
fotato when does anyone _not_ have fucking on the mind. [04:04]
[twisti] i hear that happens to girls sometimes [04:07]
fotato madness. [04:08]
scav MORNING [04:34]
fotato IS IT THO [04:34]
fotato scav: my hammies are sore come rub them better pls. [04:35]
scav working remotely, its morning when ever i want it to be [04:35]
freeone3000 uggghhh today was just meetings and delegation and interfacing and planning and structure and comparative analysis [04:43]
[twisti] [04:44]
[twisti] jesus [04:44]
fotato I was surprisingly productive today. [04:44]
fotato It?s weird, I almost don?t hate myself or my job. [04:44]
fotato >dress code: tropical [04:49]
fotato What the fuck does that even mean [04:49]
fotato Should I fashion a bra out of coconut shells [04:50]
tang^ do eet [04:51]
freeone3000 Hawaiian shirts are okay. [04:52]
freeone3000 Also shorts. Also sandals. [04:52]
freeone3000 Looking around the office, apparently that's the dress code here. :P [04:52]
sonOfRa Sandals WITH SOCKS [04:52]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: no you monster [04:52]
sonOfRa Oh wait no that's german tourist, not tropical [04:52]
sonOfRa german tourists are the second worst, man [04:53]
freeone3000 Aren't.. you frequently a tourist? [04:53]
sonOfRa No, I'm a student [04:53]
sonOfRa I don't go touristing a lot [04:53]
freeone3000 That's not my stereotype of european students! [04:53]
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fotato european students wear jeans, ancient sneakers, tee, a budget waterproof shell and a massive backpack. all the time. [04:54]
sonOfRa The european students you're imagining get their flat and living expenses covered by mom and dad [04:55]
freeone3000 they travel from country to country on a subsidized rail pass, seeking out genuine experiences and posting them on the internet [04:55]
sonOfRa While my parents pay a part of my rent for me, I do have to work and pay most things myself [04:55]
fotato in a bar? backpack. [04:55]
fotato out shopping? backpack. [04:55]
freeone3000 Backpack is not on the floor by their feet. Backpack is still on their back. [04:55]
fotato their entire life is in it [04:55]
freeone3000 oh my god this describes me [04:56]
scav fotato: i could do more than that... [04:56]
fotato could you.... rub my shoulders too!? [04:56]
fotato they're pretty achy, but the hammies are the real sore spot. [04:56]
sonOfRa freeone3000: oh no don't become european [04:57]
sonOfRa You're a texan! [04:57]
sonOfRa Quick! Remember the <blank>? [04:57]
fotato yeah boi you have to wear a stetson and a bolo tie errywhere. [04:57]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: The alamo. [04:57]
sonOfRa Good. You're not lost yet! [04:57]
freeone3000 Quebec has something similar. Their license plate says "Je me souviens." [04:57]
scav fotato: sorry, im pretty sore myself after 6x repping (what to me is fairly heavy) deadlifts [04:57]
sonOfRa fotato: I own a stetson! [04:57]
fotato i did 5x12 RDLs on monday [04:58]
fotato or was it 5x10 [04:59]
fotato 5x10 [04:59]
scav awesome bro [05:07]
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scav i usually go heavy just 3x3 or something, but last night i wanted to rep so i loaded up like 135 or 140 and repped [05:08]
scav im a weak bitch, but at least i don't hide it [05:08]
scav thats in kgs btw, not stones, fries or what ever you use over in murica' [05:11]
tang^ UK uses stones [05:13]
Faux Only old people. [05:25]
tang^ I know people younger than me who use them [05:27]
tang^ granted, that still includes a wide age range [05:27]
scav i have a friend in ireland who uses it [05:39]
fotato it's not slow. you're just too fast. [05:44]
fotato also 140kg is the most i've ever deadlifted. [05:44]
scav seriously, its super slow [05:49]
scav oh wait, its only slow in safari [05:49]
Faux I thought it was slow today but it might be because our PR process has got a bit out of control. [05:59]
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freeone3000 nobody uses safari so it's reasonable to exclude from a test matrix [06:37]
sonOfRa jesus fucking christ [06:45]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Abused 12-Year-Old Alabama Girl Doesnt Think She Can Handle Being A Mom On Top Of Everything Else" [06:45]
Maldivia judt based on the title: she is right [06:47]
freeone3000 Alabama has recently banned abortion in all cases. [06:47]
freeone3000 Penalty is 99 years in prison. [06:47]
freeone3000 Like. After (nyt: ) I don't think The Onion is satire anymore. [06:48]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Guantnamo Bay as Nursing Home: Military Envisions Hospice Care as Terrorism Suspects Age - The New York Times" [06:48]
Maldivia the fucked up heaetbeat/6 week law? [06:49]
sonOfRa No that's georgia [06:49]
sonOfRa But also yes [06:49]
sonOfRa From what I've read, the laws are designed to be unconstitutional [06:49]
sonOfRa So they get partially struck down, and then get the cases to the supreme court [06:49]
sonOfRa In order to *then* at least partially get rid of roe v wade (the case that effectively made abortion legal) [06:50]
freeone3000 They might have picked the wrong court for this. [06:50]
Maldivia in hope that Trump's supreme Court pick will change it all? [06:51]
freeone3000 That's the hope. It's a bad hope. The rapist votes democrat. [06:51]
freeone3000 It's like nobody ever bothered looking at his judicial record at ANY point during the confirmation hearings, for some reason. [06:52]
Maldivia sorry, US politics at the moment is like a really bafly written daytime soap [06:52]
surial see, logic would dictate a rapy drunk would be in favour of abortion law. [06:53]
surial at least, if said rapy drunk likes his drinks. [06:53]
Maldivia and not have to pay alamomy [06:54]
surial oh, wait, I'm flying to the US tomorrow. I should possibly not antagonize the banana republic. And/or pack some lube in the see-through baggies in case the TSA wants a more thorough inspection. [06:54]
freeone3000 alimony is also kind of weird, and isn't universal. [06:54]
freeone3000 texas is joint-property and doesn't do alimony, for instance. [06:54]
surial Presumably flying into boston-logan will help. [06:54]
surial Oh, and, um, serious request for y'all? If you're involved in any way or form in certifications or op security for software.. a question: [06:55]
Maldivia surial: just make sure to moan at the right times when they pat you down [06:55]
surial Maldivia: that's some sage advice. Hopefully, not from personal experience. [06:55]
surial That whole event-stream hullabaloo: How do you cover this? Specifically, how do you [A] make a full inventory of precisely which FOSS projects your operations and software products depend on, so including the deps-of-your-deps-of-your-deps, and [B] how do you try to describe in certification that you're covering your ass on the front of 'what if that library is no longer maintained or worse, gets 'maintained' by someone with [06:57]
surial evil intent, such as what happened to event-stream, and I guess [C] insofar that the answer is: We dare not speak about this, is it like: Everyone more or less knows but nobody writes it down because there are no real solutions here, or more: Nobody thought about it. [06:57]
Maldivia surial: I usually only do it when I get s massage [06:57]
surial Feel free to answer here or preferably pop me a mail? reinier at [06:58]
freeone3000 surial: Our process is basically a full manual code review by humans at time of release, and for future releases, certifying a particular release as suitable-for-purpose including all third-party components, freezing that, and deploying that, and repeating this for every subsequent release, no matter how minor, that's published publically. [06:59]
surial Tidelift is throwing a congress with a bunch of open source maintainers to talk about it. I'm pretty sure joda stephen is also there, but most of the rest will be nodejs and python folk. [06:59]
surial freeone3000: that sounds like a fuckton of effort. [06:59]
freeone3000 It takes two goddamn weeks, the project's PM, an external release manager which is basically a PM that does *just* releases, and at least ten billable hours by in-house. It sucks. [06:59]
surial freeone3000: amazed you are dedicated enough to do it. But, yeah, that would warrant a rating of 'oh yeah we take it seriously'. [06:59]
surial freeone3000: that's all of microsoft or just your section of it? [07:00]
freeone3000 All of microsoft. We're actually exempt from large portions of it. [07:02]
surial Also, can I quote you on this? It'll be quoted with the usual 'some guy I know via IRC that works there said...' [07:02]
surial but if you prefer that it just isn't mentioned, no problem. [07:02]
freeone3000 I'd rather you didn't attribute the method of conversation with the source, for anonymitiy, but other than that the quoting is fine since it's something everybody goes through and it's not particularly secret. [07:02]
freeone3000 Sounds good. [07:02]
surial okay. Will just mention: "I asked a fella that worked at microsoft and...", if that sounds good to you. [07:02]
freeone3000 And yeah, major drawbacks are the huge amounts of manual effort. We have some tools to catch some stuff but it's still up to the devs and humans and we're doing one right now and it's a pain. [07:02]
surial And, about that way of working, what if someone somewhere discovers a security leak in one of these libraries you use? Given that you don't just cavalier-style run 'mvn update-all --fuck-it', you don't get the random flyby event-stream bullshit, but you ALSO don't get random flyby security updates. [07:02]
freeone3000 There's a CVE check run on every component; if the CVE is filed before release, it's stop there, start again. If it's filed after, we estimate severity and determine wether to do an update release. [07:03]
freeone3000 These can occur at any time. See: Windows XP. [07:03]
freeone3000 It got a patch yesterday. [07:03]
surial I assume some folks at microsoft keep an eye out on the mitre-CVE twitter or some such? [07:04]
freeone3000 We have full offensive and defensive security teams. [07:04]
surial Right, so, mitigate by way of active search for all inventarised FOSS products on mitre before any release. Sensible. [07:04]
surial gracias. [07:05]
surial As a freelancer/small-bizz programmer I have no idea. I mostly run into the head in the sand approach. "Surely you cant expect US to review the entire fucking source base of apache..." [07:05]
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ron wheeeeeeee [09:12]
ron jira-- [09:17]
ron jira has a karma level of -14, ron [09:17]
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ron sup AMcBain [10:21]
AMcBain hi ron. All sorts of stuff, but right this moment? Not much. :) [10:22]
ron AMcBain: you getting married?! [10:22]
AMcBain That'd be news to me! [10:22]
ron well, congratulations! [10:23]
AMcBain heh [10:23]
ron anything new? [10:24]
AMcBain Nothing huge I'd say. Gearing up to hopefully make some simple LED FFT gadget for a class at the local makerspace (as an instructor)... need to validate a prototype first. :) [10:41]
AMcBain and went to a conference last week. [10:41]
AMcBain I guess that's kinda big. [10:41]
ron which one? [10:41]
ron build? [10:41]
AMcBain Yeah [10:42]
ron that's cool [10:42]
ron feels like MSFT is stepping up its game [10:42]
AMcBain Yeah no kidding. They showed off a lot of stuff. [10:43]
ron I know some of the people involved with the MSFT Graph work [10:44]
AMcBain Cool. They had two giraffe cut-outs attached to the side of their booth. [10:45]
ron yeah, a friend of mine in that team was wearing a giraffe onesie :D [10:46]
AMcBain I think I saw them :) [10:46]
ron seeing him next week at a different conference, asked him to wear it to that one too ;) [10:47]
AMcBain D [10:48]
ron btw [10:48]
ron what's a LED FFT gadget? [10:48]
ron I mean, I know LED and gadget ;) [10:49]
AMcBain Oh, basically just a simple circuit I'm going to build attached to some acrylic that uses those LED strips (WS2812Bs) with a ATTiny85 (should work), batteries, and a microphone so we can display a live frequency output as bars. [10:50]
AMcBain FFT = fast Fourier transform [10:50]
AMcBain The project will thus have a tiny bit of uncomplicated soldering, acrylic bending, glue, and a bit of programming. (We'll give everyone some base code that does the FFT bits.) [10:51]
ron oh my god ir's been so long since I've heard the term FFT that I forgot it haha [10:52]
AMcBain but until I have the prototype built I don't know if I need to make changes or if it'll be feasible in 3 hours or less for an average person. [10:52]
AMcBain heh [10:52]
AMcBain It happens. The world has way too many acronyms. [10:52]
ron also, I'm getting old and it's from my uni days ;) [10:53]