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Jantz [Jantz!~IceChat9@2407:7000:8d04:100:1c4d:4d59:bf68:a094] has joined #java-talk [12:13]
KekSi 'morning [01:29]
Faux ayyy [03:07]
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[twisti] https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/linienbus-ausgebrannt-monschauer-strasse-a44-100~_v-ARDFotogalerie.jpg <- my morning commute, that thankfully today i didnt use [03:19]
Faux Oops. [03:20]
sonOfRa morning [04:10]
KekSi [twisti]: so you don't live all that far away from me, do you..? [04:10]
KekSi is from mainz [04:11]
KekSi 'morning 8) [04:11]
[twisti] like 200km [04:18]
[twisti] which i guess isnt far by american standards [04:18]
KekSi yeah, sure - for morons living in the country side a 3h drive per way isn't "far" but then you'll have to question the general speed of your life :x [04:24]
sonOfRa https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1128477005853249536 Faux [04:25]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Matthew Garrett on Twitter: ""average C programmer writes 3 memory safety bugs a year" factoid actualy just statistical error. average C programmer writes 0 memory safety bugs per year. Adobe, who lives in cave & writes over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been countedhttps://twitter.com/LazyFishBarrel/status/1128411959349665792 "" [04:25]
Faux I'm surprised it's not 10,000 for every C programmer. [04:26]
sonOfRa Scroll down, he has that version, too [04:26]
Faux Phew. [04:27]
Faux If we rewrote him in Rust he wouldn't make that kind of mistake. [04:27]
scav Morning [04:40]
sonOfRa https://github.com/veorq/oee :D [04:58]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "GitHub - veorq/oee: One-end encryption, stronger than end-to-end" [04:58]
Faux RUST [04:59]
Faux <3 <3 let mut csprng = match rand::OsRng::new() { Ok(g) => g, Err(e) => panic!("cyber attack detected: {}", e) }; [05:01]
Faux I also appreciate their length-hiding. [05:02]
sonOfRa It's perfect! [05:02]
sonOfRa It maps any ciphertext to exactly 32 bytes! [05:03]
sonOfRa s/plaintext/ [05:03]
Faux Amusingly it would probably fail our security policy, as it isn't encrypt-then-mac. [05:04]
Faux A receiver could be tricked into processing unauthenticated input! [05:05]
sonOfRa I'm disappointed that there's not a library, only an executable [05:06]
Faux fsfi [05:07]
sonOfRa fsfi? [05:08]
Faux FREE SOFTWARE. FIX IT (yourself) [05:08]
Faux fsfi [05:08]
Faux Faux, what does that even *mean*? [05:08]
Faux How times have changed. [05:08]
sonOfRa ah [05:09]
scav then its not free anymore! i want free as in other people do the work [05:10]
Faux Another attempt to rewrite "foo" has resulted in a copy of the code committed as "foo-new". [06:39]
Faux I think the use of "new" is the thing that winds me up the most. [06:39]
Maldivia Foo2 is better? [06:39]
Faux YES [06:39]
Faux Someone was telling me that their coworker didn't believe in changing code, if they wanted to fix a bug in a method they would just extend the class, override the method, fix the bug in the overridden copy, then change the user to use the overridden class. [06:40]
Maldivia wtf? [06:40]
sonOfRa nope [06:40]
Faux Don't want to break other users of the class! OO! [06:40]
sonOfRa I wonder if there is *actual, real-world* attacks on all of those speculative execution and similar bugs [06:44]
Faux Real-world, as in, a thing you can do on a real computer without having done something dumb? Or real world, as in, it's been exploited by TURBOANALISIS to execute journalists? [06:45]
Faux 'cos the first has been done for most of them. [06:45]
sonOfRa The first, really [06:46]
sonOfRa https://make-linux-fast-again.com/ #yolo [06:50]
scav i think i want to become an architect [06:54]
Faux waves. [06:54]
Faux sonOfRa: Imagine if someone had specifically written a mitigations= argument, and got it blackported into stable kernels, to avoid this. >.> [06:54]
scav i can sit at my desk all day, creating diagrams of things that are gong to change and make obvious statements regarding everything and most of the time i can be totally wrong regarding technology [06:55]
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sonOfRa Faux: :D [06:55]
Faux That's literally what I'm supposed to be doing today, scav. (Plan for moving something onto an AWS-like system with LAMBDA). [06:55]
sonOfRa From a real computer? [06:55]
scav Did I step on your toes? [06:55]
Faux No, from kubernetes. But even kubernetes is much closer to actual computing. [06:55]
scav "GET OF MY LAWN!" [06:56]
scav s/of/off [06:56]
acuzio morning ladies [07:04]
acuzio theres something wrong happening - i have been called "hipster" and "hot" inthe last 2 days [07:04]
acuzio I am feeling odd [07:05]
sonOfRa wonders if I should just turn off hyperthreading completely and say goodbye to half those cores [07:05]
Faux Selfie, acuzio? [07:05]
Faux sonOfRa: Do you habitually run other people's code? I don't. [07:06]
sonOfRa Not on my server, no [07:06]
sonOfRa On my desktop, literally all day every day [07:06]
Faux JS doesn't count! [07:06]
sonOfRa Oh, it doesn't? [07:06]
Faux Github clones don't count unless you qubes off your work from your dev environment. [07:07]
Faux Nobody's demonstrated any of these things from JS -> out of the browser since browsers turned on paranoia (i.e. crippling the ability to control memory, crippling timers, and stopped sharing processes so aggressively). [07:07]
sonOfRa So I *should* turn off all the mitigations on my server! [07:09]
sonOfRa And on my desktop [07:09]
sonOfRa ) [07:09]
Faux And run everything as root! [07:10]
sonOfRa I just boot in single user mode [07:11]
Faux That's the spirit. [07:11]
Faux Can you even turn off kernel memory protection? I guess you'd need to patch. [07:11]
Faux kaslr can go. [07:11]
sonOfRa Oh nice [07:13]
Faux <3 the kaslr lwn post has the angry grsecurity complaining on it. [07:13]
sonOfRa Someone backported changes that break ZFS compilation to linux-4.19.43 [07:13]
acuzio Any good hiking shoes boys and girls ? [07:14]
acuzio Think muddy walking and hiking in Hawaii [07:15]
Faux Go try them on. I bought SALAMON, the skiing brand. [07:15]
Faux Giggling at the image of acuzio and his bodyguards in Lillywhites. [07:15]
acuzio Bodyguards ?? [07:15]
acuzio And whats Lillywhites ? [07:15]
Faux Sorry. Entourage. [07:16]
sonOfRa Ah [07:16]
Faux A famous shoe shop for poor people. [07:16]
sonOfRa GKH hates ZFS, so he removed some symbols that only ZoL uses to break it :D [07:16]
sonOfRa I love linux [07:16]
Faux Yet more advantages of btrfs! [07:16]
acuzio WTF are you nerds talking about ? [07:16]
sonOfRa angry at computers. [07:16]
Faux COMPUTERS [07:16]
acuzio Filesystems - even worse [07:16]
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whaley GO ON, GET THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER [07:31]
acuzio The fucks that [07:31]
KekSi a joke from the first season of game of thrones [07:34]
acuzio shakes his head [07:37]
acuzio i dont fucking know about GoT [07:37]
KekSi you're flying that much and haven't seen that..? [07:41]
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acuzio No i havent seen GoT ever [07:58]
acuzio Not because of the flying ., its because i dont give a fuck [07:59]
[twisti] not giving a fuck is sooooooooo cool [08:07]
[twisti] acuzio is a rebel [08:07]
sonOfRa acuzio: is it because you do not give a... FLYING fuck? [08:08]
KekSi badum-ts [08:08]
sonOfRa highfives himself [08:08]
[twisti] so i just made a commit and pushed it, and the email says my colleage pushed it (but it still shows that i commited it) [08:14]
[twisti] \_(?)_/ [08:14]
[twisti] technology [08:14]
whaley bunch of fuckin cunts [08:29]
[twisti] your butt is a fuckin cunt [08:31]
sonOfRa Positive things about using gentoo: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686094 bugs will often get fixed *really* fast! [08:34]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "686094 sys-fs/zfs-kmod-0.7.12 with >=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.19.38 - In file included from .../work/zfs-0.7.12/module/zcommon/zfs_fletcher_intel.c:45: .../work/zfs-0.7.12/include/linux/simd_x86.h:98:10: fatal error: asm/i387.h: No such file or directory" [08:34]
sonOfRa Opened 2019-05-16 11:32:43 UTC, Fixed 2019-05-16 12:30:30 UTC [08:35]
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fotato Negative side, bugs get introduced *really* fast! [09:04]
sonOfRa but it works on *my* system [09:04]
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sonOfRa hahaha, the kernel patch that broke ZFS compilation didn't just break compilation [10:05]
sonOfRa If you don't use a kernel patch to re-export those symbols, it will degrade performance (especially if you use encryption) by about 80% [10:06]
freeone3000 successfully socially lied twice today so far! Progress! [10:13]
fotato i made the threading joke but using slack threads what do i win [10:13]
fotato lying to people for social benefit, freeone3000? sounds like PSYCHOPATHY to me [10:14]
freeone3000 But sometimes you actually *don't* care about which rental car company they prefer [10:15]
freeone3000 But you should *pretend* to care, because it makes them feel good [10:15]
sonOfRa hahaha, I reported an IP for brute force smtp logins to their contact, and it stopped for a day, they "took care of it" [10:21]
sonOfRa Guess which IP is doing it again! [10:22]
fotato oh that's not really _lying_ [10:23]
fotato it's being polite. [10:23]
fotato you dont have to proffer your actual opinion on what they're saying unless prompted [10:23]
ron gmorning [10:53]
fotato HELLO RONTATO [10:54]
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fotato whaley: WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER PAY ITS DEBTS WITH FIRE AND BLOOD [11:00]
whaley AND WILL NOT SOW [11:01]
fotato huh, baratheon is "Ours is the Fury" [11:01]
fotato shit you know i forgot the greyjoy's one was actually that. [11:02]
whaley yeah, show doesn't call that out ever, I don't think [11:02]
whaley the lannister one is also different - "hear me roar" [11:02]
sonOfRa WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER SOW [11:03]
freeone3000 The "pays its debts" is a lot less Katy Perry. [11:03]
whaley the real motto should have been "no, we don't actually shit gold" [11:03]
ron maybe you don't [11:04]
whaley fotato: did you ever make the eight? [11:04]
fotato the actual lannister motto is "Hear Me Roar!" [11:07]
freeone3000 fotato: I am the eye of the TAIGA LOUDER... [11:08]
fotato wat [11:09]
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freeone3000 fotato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8 [11:10]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Katy Perry - Roar (Official) - YouTube" [11:10]
ron why are you sharing this [11:10]
freeone3000 Because I'm an awful human. [11:10]
whaley fotato: did you ever make the eight? [11:10]
fotato wat ? [11:11]
whaley https://www.quotes.net/show-quote/34130 [11:11]
whaley whaley's title: "Robert Baratheon: Back in our day, you weren't a real man until you f***ed one girl from each of the Seven Kingdoms and the Riverlands. We used to call it 'Making the Eight'.<br>Renly Baratheon: [sarcastic] Those were some lucky girls.<br>Robert Baratheon: You ever make the eight, Barristan?<br>Barristan Selmy: I don't believe so, Your Grace.<br>Robert Baratheon: [laughs] Those were the days.<br>Renly Baratheon: Which days exactly? The ones where half of Westeros fought the other half and millions died? Or before that, when the Mad King slaughtered women and babies because the voices in his head told him they deserved it? Or way before that, when dragons burned whole cities to the ground!<br>Robert Baratheon: Easy boy. You might be my brother, but you're speaking to the King.<br>Renly Baratheon: I suppose it was all rather heroic, if you were drunk enough and had some poor Riverlands whore to shove your prick inside and "make the eight".<br>" [11:11]
fotato also whaley the show does call it out when theon is talking to his dad about taking winterfell and fucking it up [11:11]
fotato and did you know the lannister motto is actually "hear me roar!"? [11:11]
whaley the lannister one is also different - "hear me roar" [11:12]
whaley kind of Katy Perry'esque [11:12]
fotato .... [11:12]
scav morning [11:12]
fotato hi scavtato [11:12]
whaley scavocado [11:12]
fotato whale....meat. [11:12]
scav fotato...tato [11:12]
scav fuck you im not ashamed of that one [11:12]
whaley wait a minute, I thought the Riverlands were one of the seven kingdoms [11:13]
whaley why is it called "making the eight" [11:13]
fotato 7 kingdoms + riverlands [11:14]
whaley but the riverlands are actually one of the seven kingdoms - it's the land the Tully's control [11:15]
fotato https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-the-Riverlands-counted-as-one-of-the-seven-kingdoms [11:15]
whaley nods [11:16]
whaley freeone3000: https://imgur.com/1MN0Z7o.jpg [11:16]
whaley ok, I should probably work [11:18]
fotato nah terrible idea. [11:18]
whaley dumb cunt [11:19]
whaley ron: fotato: what is the best pastry? [11:20]
fotato ooh [11:21]
fotato ooooooo [11:21]
fotato canele or kouign-amann [11:21]
fotato fuck baklava it's way too sweet and i can barely eat half a square [11:22]
sonOfRa Apfelstrudel. [11:23]
fotato croissants can go fuck themselves [11:23]
sonOfRa Not sure if that classifies as pastry though? [11:23]
Matthijs Make it yourself. Then you can to choose the sweetness. [11:23]
fotato i say this as someone who _makes_ baklava [11:23]
fotato greek privilege, bitch [11:23]
whaley fotato: given the shape of a croissants, they may already be fucking themselves [11:23]
fotato good, they deserve themselves. [11:24]
Matthijs So.. cut down on the sugar [11:24]
fotato that's not how it works Matthijs [11:24]
fotato then it's not baklava. [11:24]
fotato literally soaked in syrup. [11:24]
ron whaley: not a huge fan of baked goods. [11:24]
fotato if you use less syrup you end up with a dry baklava and nobody wants that. [11:24]
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fotato if you use a less sugary syrup you'll end up with a soggy baklava and nobody wants that either. [11:25]
Matthijs Not my pastry [11:25]
fotato please, tell me more of this magical waterproof pastry [11:25]
Matthijs I meant to say baklava is not the sort of pastry I'd like. [11:26]
Matthijs I'm with sonOfRa. Apfelstrudel is great. [11:27]
fotato what about you whaley [11:27]
whaley scones [11:28]
Faux BRONES [11:28]
ron scones? you mean the pastry that rhymes with stones for a reason? [11:29]
waz where the fuck are you getting scones to come up with that association? [11:29]
ron england [11:29]
whaley waz: YOUR KITCHEN [11:29]
fotato it doesn't rhyme with stones [11:30]
fotato christ ron, fucking learn english. [11:30]
sonOfRa it... doesn't? [11:30]
sonOfRa What even is english [11:30]
fotato 'scone' pronounced 'sconn' [11:30]
sonOfRa but why. [11:30]
scav who gives a fuck [11:31]
fotato because fuck you forrins we will steal your language but ignore half the rules. [11:31]
waz https://www.dropbox.com/s/kzdmg63lm374j2g/Screenshot%202019-05-16%2011.31.10.png?dl=0 [11:31]
waz waz's title: "Dropbox - Screenshot 2019-05-16 11.31.10.png - Simplify your life" [11:31]
waz that's the last scones out of my kitchen [11:31]
waz damn good ones [11:31]
ron sonOfRa: he's lying [11:31]
scav looks good, waz [11:31]
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fotato i'm sort of lying. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/23/how-do-you-pronounce-scone-answer-says-a-lot-english-language-day-shakespeare-birthday [11:33]
fotato fotato's title: "Do you pronounce 'scone' to rhyme with 'cone' or 'gone'? It depends where you're from | Science | The Guardian" [11:33]
fotato lol this is amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uv6qdaUseg&feature=youtu.be [11:35]
fotato fotato's title: "Clownado - Final Trailer - YouTube" [11:35]
sonOfRa no [11:37]
sonOfRa it is not [11:37]
fotato it's literally amazing which makes me technically correct [11:37]
freeone3000 https://imgur.com/a/ZFtqCLr we have a comic. I'm not sure why. [11:37]
freeone3000 fotato: "do you pronounce scone to rhyme with cohne or gohne?" [11:37]
fotato uh [11:37]
freeone3000 also that's clearly a picture of an english muffin [11:38]
scav fotato: let's go together! "you know this clown, darling?" [11:38]
fotato that is absolutely not an eglish muffin [11:39]
fotato this is an english muffin https://www.browneyedbaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/english-muffins-split.jpg [11:40]
fotato scones are a quickbread dropped from spoons so they have the rough edges. muffins are made from fermented dough and cooked on a flat griddle, so they have much smoother edges and are fluffier. [11:42]
ron trigger alert! [11:43]
fotato wat. [11:43]
ron wat. [11:44]
freeone3000 oh, so scones are biscuits [11:44]
ron yes [11:44]
ron southern biscuits [11:45]
fotato sorta. [11:45]
ron not rest-of-the-world biscuits. [11:45]
fotato which means 'baked twice' [11:45]
fotato a biscuit is a hard cookie. [11:45]
fotato (which means 'cake') [11:45]
fotato language is hard. [11:46]
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sachit parted the channel: [11:47]
scav We now have a lambda using dynamo, mysql and postgres to do anything. i love my life [11:53]
scav as in, all those have parts of the necessary data [11:53]
freeone3000 southern biscuits are baked like, three-quarters. [11:57]
freeone3000 man I want to eat food from the south again [11:58]
whaley that probably requires going to the South again. Proceed with caution [11:58]
fotato needs more node and redis [12:11]
fotato whaley: https://www.boredpanda.com/game-of-thrones-genderswap-snapchat-filter/ [12:17]
fotato fotato's title: "Someone Used The New Snapchat Filter On Game Of Thrones Characters (13 Pics) | Bored Panda" [12:17]
ron https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/07/ceo-of-huawei-refuses-to-stop-using-expression-its-my-way-or-the-huawei/ [12:19]
whaley hahahah [12:27]
scav fotato: good idea, ill introduce it monday [12:43]
fotato excellent. [12:53]
fotato test it with https://github.com/intuit/karate [12:53]
fotato fotato's title: "GitHub - intuit/karate: Web-Services Testing Made Simple" [12:53]
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freeone3000 Brienne of Tarth looks the same [01:28]
sonOfRa So does Asha^WYara [01:31]
freeone3000 Beaverton continues to be funnier than the onion. [01:42]
freeone3000 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/disconnecting-to-spend-time-with-your-kids-could-sabotage-your-career.html LATE STAGE CAPITALISM [01:54]
Faux I'm already disconnected and I don't spend the time with my kids. [01:57]
freeone3000 also: dang huawei is now on the list of specially designated persons and nationals [02:03]
freeone3000 I need to figure out which phone I want now [02:03]
fotato my computer is taking a shit. [02:04]
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ron fotato: no u [02:43]
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scav fotato: they said karate was simple, then i read their 500 pages manual of things i will never need [03:27]
scav https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ_Yr0d9Lfo [03:30]
scav scav's title: "Jehovah Witness Meets a Norwegian Horse - YouTube" [03:30]
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fotato what makes norwegian horses different to regular horses? [03:43]
freeone3000 They drink on ferries. [03:44]
fotato config value of "null" was getting stripped of quotes when added to a generated yaml so it was showing as `requiredConfigValue: null` and coming trhough to the app as the null string. [03:53]
fotato the fix: s/null/void [03:54]
whaley nasty [03:56]
fotato isnt yaml ace [03:57]
ron how is that yaml's fault? [04:00]
fotato everything is yaml's fault, ron [04:01]
whaley s/ce/ss [04:01]
ron sounds to me it's like your fault [04:02]
fotato in a way. the quotes are being dropped on the floor somewhere. they definitely are being added earlier up the chain and i can't be bothered to dig into helm to understand the minutiae [04:05]
fotato when just changing the value to a non-keyword fixes it [04:05]
ron sure, but the problem is with whatever serializes it, not yaml itself. [04:06]
fotato it's probably helm. [04:07]
fotato or bash [04:07]
fotato or.... circleci [04:07]
fotato computers [04:07]
ron or you [04:08]
fotato you're tryingquite hard to get a rise out of me. [04:08]
ron don't really care how you react [04:08]
Faux helm+bash -> hash change my mind [04:08]
ron as long as I know the truth I'm good [04:08]
whaley ron: I am your father [04:10]
ron whaley: I'm older than you so no [04:10]
whaley you can't handle the truth [04:11]
ron looks like you can't [04:11]
fotato can you both pls shut up already [04:14]
fotato THIS. BODY. THIS BODY HOLDING ME. [04:15]
whaley opening transition from track 6 to track 7 is the best thing on any album released in the last 20 years [04:24]
fotato kind of sad tool aren't on spotify [04:25]
whaley Sad. [04:25]
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fotato found scav https://i.imgur.com/1zT6u0p.gifv [05:32]
scav fotato: omg yes yes yes! [05:33]
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tang^ I... well [05:34]
ron hehe whaley is on comcast hehehe [05:35]
whaley I am sorry [05:35]
ron fotato: which one of them is scav and which one of them is whaley [05:35]
whaley I AM THE KEYMASTER [05:36]
fotato he's the one not deadlifting duh [05:37]
ron duh [05:38]
scav LOL [05:38]
fotato there's so much happening in each cut. [05:39]
fotato acuzio gettin his chest shaved in one of them [05:40]
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scav https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeemJlrNx2Q [06:00]
scav scav's title: "Zucc Smokin Meats - SONGIFY THIS - YouTube" [06:00]
scav i don't know why i find this so funnmy [06:00]
fotato I don?t know why you find it funny either. [06:25]
ron probably because scav is smoking something other than meats [06:26]
scav wtf is that supposed to mean [06:35]
scav im just smoking some meat [06:35]
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Samian hi [09:52]
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