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KekSi yo [01:28]
KekSi re@ work again after first time sports after vacation and fucking hell does everything hurt so bad [01:28]
puppy_za morning [02:08]
surial freeone3000: The one weird bit about "what colour is your function" is that I feel like the meaning of the colours as revealed at the end is reversed. But, other than that, applies verbatim to java async, unfortunately. Yeah, make em all async, no exceptions (cue millions of blogposts explaining 'monads') seems like a fine way out of this. However, not practical for java, ever ? I don't think you can go to 'everything is [02:19]
surial async' and keep backwards compat. I also wonder if you want to. So what if every method in java _IS_ explicitly coloured, and the compiler will actively prevent you from messing it up (a 'this is async compatible' marked method simply cannot call methods that are not marked as such). [02:19]
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fotato KekSi: the trick is to never stop ever [06:14]
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scav i agree with fotato, KekSi [06:20]
fotato I lunge to work every day. [06:28]
sonOfRa Man, blizzard seems really desperate to suck china's dick [06:48]
Faux The SouthPark thing was at least moderately entertaining. [06:48]
sonOfRa A hearthstone streamer from hong kong ended his stream with a supportive message for the hongkong protests, blizzard banned him and rescinded his prize money. [06:48]
Faux [06:49]
Faux Faux's title: "South Park on Twitter: "Watch the full episode - @THR article -"" [06:49]
sonOfRa yeah, I read that they go into that but didn'T have time to watch it yet [06:50]
Bombe Dick move, Blizzard. [06:50]
sonOfRa ?After an investigation, we are taking the necessary actions to prevent similar incidents from happening in the future,? Blizzard said in a statement. On Chinese microblogging site Weibo, the official account of Hearthstone reposted Blizzard?s statement in Chinese. ?We will, as always, resolutely safeguard the country?s dignity,? it added. [06:52]
sonOfRa hahaha [06:52]
Faux Gotta not lose any social credit. [06:53]
Faux At least we don't live in a police state, eh, sonOfRa. (I'm so sorry.) [06:53]
sonOfRa D [06:53]
sonOfRa you know what's good about this? [06:53]
sonOfRa I used to encrypt *most* of my disks, only the important one, as a form of theft protection [06:54]
Faux You can be legitimately angry, instead of theoretically angry? [06:54]
sonOfRa Now I'm encrypting *all* of them [06:54]
sonOfRa So if they try again, instead of finding nothing of any interest, tehy'll simply find fuckall [06:54]
sonOfRa Also convinced a bunch of my friends to finally start encrypting all their shit [06:54]
sonOfRa SO while this is costing me a few thousand euros and a lot of nerves, at least there's something to be gained out of this! [06:55]
Faux Fwiw I'd use the hardware after it was returned. [07:00]
Faux Assuming they return it while you're still alive. [07:00]
[twisti] just sell it as used on ebay imo [07:03]
[twisti] let the gestapo spy on some random stranger [07:03]
sonOfRa I mean, I'm *definitely* going to keep using at least my graphics card. [07:04]
sonOfRa I can't imagine german police being competent enough to implant things into that [07:04]
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surial sonOfRa: Assuming they really aren't after you (heh), I'd say it's good news that they can immediately conclude: poop, there's nothing we can get from these disks; it is all encrypted, with a crypto algorithm we definitely won't be breaking, and at best we can... you know, what nevermind this entire line of thought, it makes no sense. Hold the fucking phone... [07:05]
surial you got hit with a warrant for all this crap based solely on the fact that you're a _WITNESS_, or rather, your computer is a witness, right? [07:06]
sonOfRa yes [07:06]
surial So why the hell don't they just forcibly take your shit, make copies of it all, and give it back to you a day later? [07:06]
[twisti] not 'solely', 'especially' [07:06]
sonOfRa Because they want to let you fry [07:06]
sonOfRa So you start talking [07:06]
[twisti] as a witness you dont have the right to refuse to testify [07:06]
Faux 'cos they're fucking fascists, surial. [07:06]
surial are they afraid you're hiding james bond style gadgetry and you stored some data in, I dunno, a hidden chip you sneak soldered onto the fucking GFX card or some such? [07:06]
Faux No. No technical reason. [07:07]
Faux Fascists. [07:07]
surial if it WASNT computer systems, this shit would not fly. [07:07]
sonOfRa surial: there is no technical reason [07:07]
sonOfRa The cruelty is the point. [07:07]
Faux Wife's bag got searched at the airport in France. Every time this happens in England she's like "pfft this would never happen in France". [07:07]
Faux It was *kisses fingers*. [07:07]
Faux The fascist was especially shit about it too. [07:07]
[twisti] surial: the laws are kind of a leftover from when the police was so spectacularily incompetent in tech aspects that they needed to take everything because the average officer couldnt be trusted to not just take the monitor and leave the rest [07:07]
Faux "Oooh, what do we have here?!" [07:07]
surial Which means we can either all groan and cry under the weight of this heavyhanded pseudofascistic horsecrap, or, we educate the populace and show how this behaviour bends the rules so incredibly far, it's on the other side of the planet as far as intent is concerned, and it probably is prima facie ILLEGAL behaviour; they bent the rules so far, yes, they did actually break them. [07:07]
sonOfRa They want to make the victims feel *bad*. If you feel *bad* about not having your hardware, you might give them your password, which is a win for them [07:08]
sonOfRa They have nothing at all to lose by keeping your hardware for months or years [07:08]
surial that's not true. [07:08]
surial They have the opinion of the public at large to lose. [07:08]
sonOfRa hahahaha [07:08]
Faux The public wants to see the police doing something. [07:08]
Faux The police are doing something. [07:08]
sonOfRa ^ [07:08]
surial The fact that they are evidently gladly paying that cost either [A] means they misjudged, or [B] means that 'we' are not properly reaching the audience at large. [07:08]
Faux "Hurting the right people" is the phrase the trump twats use. [07:09]
Faux sonOfRa is guilty enough for them, because he's not sucking the party line's dick. [07:09]
surial Let me put it this way: If I could go back in time, and tell the CEO of united what was GOING to happen if they toss this fellow out on his arse, banging him into a few seats as he's dragged out of the plane? _JUST_ the fallout bit, because, obviously, no legal problems occurred for united due to that event? [07:09]
surial That CEO would be on the phone yelling at a bunch of subordinates to fix their fucking guidances for security personnel escorting someone off the plane. You can't juggle the notion that the police / united / whatever gives zero fucks about any of this whilst the exact same party plonks down multiple millions on ads and outreach. [07:10]
sonOfRa surial: the mere fact that my drives are encrypted means I have something to hide, i.e. I'm a criminal [07:10]
sonOfRa An upstanding citizen doesn't need to encrypt their drives [07:10]
surial Either you give a shit about 'your brand' or you do not. Even the police, even german police, give more than 0 fucks. Perhaps not nearly enough fucks, but it's more than zero already. It IS an attackable avenue. [07:10]
Faux Thanks for your opinion and multi-line analogy, surial, but it has not convinced me. [07:11]
surial sonOfRa: Yes, I can see how if you try to turn this into a media fight, you get the inevitable both-sidserism bullshit, but that's inevitable. The point is more or less to take em down with you. [07:11]
sonOfRa Also: Mainstream news outlets don't report on this [07:11]
sonOfRa Last year, there was a similar case, "Zwiebelfreunde" as a google keyword if you wanna see [07:11]
fotato sonOfRa: um. Someone might wanna tell them that apple ship all their computers with encryption enabled by default. [07:11]
surial I'm tempted to agree with that. I'm just puzzled as to why not. This SHOULD be a fine story. [07:11]
Faux fotato: Or not, 'cos then they'll be angry about that. [07:11]
sonOfRa It was covered in, and some other tech websites [07:11]
sonOfRa It didn't make it as a headline into *any* newspaper that non-techies read [07:12]
sonOfRa Or evening news, or anything [07:12]
sonOfRa And it was *fucking outrageous*, even more so than my case [07:12]
surial sonOfRa: zwiebelfreunde? Onion friends? [07:12]
surial oh, tor nodes? [07:12]
sonOfRa Yes [07:12]
sonOfRa Well not even tor nodes [07:12]
Faux UK is trying to outlaw encryption they don't like again, btw. [07:12]
surial yeah I noticed that :( [07:12]
sonOfRa I don't have the energy to lay it out rightnow, google it. There should be some decent articles out there [07:12]
fotato sonOfRa: did you contact the EFF? They?d probably be interested. [07:13]
surial Which is all the more rason why I _WANT_ these to be more of a story. this whole 'oh fuck it all the population at large is so fucking stupid about all of this, there is no poinut attempting to cause some good ol' media outrage about the police taking your shit and not just making copies and returning it to you' ? that same dumbdumb population is causing lack of outcry against truly dangerous horsefuckery such as trying to [07:13]
surial make the act of encrpytion itself illegal. [07:13]
sonOfRa Good idea. I contacted netzpolitik and a german law blog (as well as a german tech blog), but only the tech blog seemed interested [07:13]
sonOfRa Didn't consider EFF [07:14]
surial sonOfRa: for germany you'd think the piratenpartei would want to try and make this a thing. [07:14]
Faux Boom, and he's triggered the line-wrap auto ignore. [07:14]
sonOfRa surial: piratenpartei is completely irrelevant [07:14]
surial Faux: fuck you, jackhole. [07:14]
surial sonOfRa: weren't they somewhat sizable in germany (compared to other EU pirate party) at some point in the past? [07:14]
surial Faux: we are having a perfectly fine conversation and you just decide to be a fucking asshole for no reason. grow up, dickbag. [07:15]
sonOfRa yes, but they're completely irrelevant now [07:15]
surial sonOfRa: I vaguely recall how they might maaaybe get across the 5% line. Aw :( ? it just bled out, or some scandal or other? [07:15]
sonOfRa bled out, too much infighting over small things [07:15]
sonOfRa The thing is: if you make a party based on democracy, rather than an extremely strict party line [07:15]
surial here in NL the pirate party never really got off the ground. They neve got close to our muuuuch lower minimum threshold (which is 1 whole entire seat. So, 1/150th of the vote). [07:16]
sonOfRa The party will dismantle itself in discussions about minutiae [07:16]
sonOfRa which is exactly what happened to PP in germany [07:16]
surial A real shame. How's the liberals doing? FDP? [07:16]
fotato Just like our parties over little things like Brexit. [07:16]
sonOfRa surial sucking corporate cock, mostly [07:16]
surial fotato: your parties are dismantling themselves over majoritae, which is very imrpessive. I hadn't thought that'd have been possible. [07:17]
fotato gestures vaguely at... everything [07:17]
surial sonOfRa: christ. Okay, that's annoying. Normally you'd tihnk you can make some arguments to a party that names itself 'liberal' and caucuses with the ALDE (which, surely, FDP does, right?) about personal freedoms such as the right to encrypt stuff. [07:17]
sonOfRa like, they're usually about it [07:17]
sonOfRa But they're mostly about corporate freedom, less personal freedom [07:18]
sonOfRa Because that's where you can suck on the sweet teat of lobbyists [07:18]
surial sonOfRa: I get the weirdness inherent here. We have 2 parties in NL that are written up as 'liberal', and caucus with ALDE. The ruling VVD and the smaller D66. But VVD is the 'suck company cock' party, whereas D'66 is all about the 'lets stop fucking sending our private shit to the damn americans, also, lets encode net neutrality into law. Also, about that shit with the cameras on the highways? Mabbe we should, like, I [07:19]
surial dunno, pass a law that stuff can only be used for ticking speeders and we force by law that the technology itself is not even allowed to log anything, let alone pass on anything more?" - etc. [07:19]
surial Faux: another one for you filter, simpleton. [07:19]
surial sonOfRa: .. but here's my point: The VVD _CAN_ be convinced that a particularly egregious offence against personal liberties is worth stepping on the soapbox for and then generally they will. This MIGHT be good enough, if there's enough public outcry. As in, the VVD (and presumably the FDP) are at least not inherently opposed to it, unlike many other parties. Therefore by showing how the public will like it, especially if [07:20]
surial you can show its bleeding votes off to other parties (say, der grunen? In most countries, the greens are also very much on the personal liberties stuff, for data at least) ? they'll move. [07:20]
Faux bing! bing! bing! [07:20]
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fotato How do you spell ad hominem again [07:34]
fotato I have the best words [07:34]
surial fotato: Did I miss a logical fallacy someplace? [07:36]
surial fotato: I think Faux is just ranting about long missives, I don't think he was trying to imply that the missives are therefore wrong. [07:36]
fotato Yes, you missed something. It?s okay. [07:37]
surial fotato: I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but looks like you erroneously think 'ad hominem' means calling people names. [07:37]
surial fotato: it's the notion that an argument is wrong because the person who made it has some presumably unwanted property that has nothing to do with the argument. [07:38]
surial fotato: i.e. "Fotato's claim that the moon is round is clearly false; we all know fotato is a moron who doesnt even know what 'ad hominem' means". [07:38]
surial fotato: that's an ad hominem fallacy. [07:38]
fotato Christ what have I done [07:38]
surial "Faux is a fucking asshole" - that's just an insult. [07:39]
surial fotato: made a fool out of yourself? Set me off? \_(?)_/ [07:39]
surial probably just successfully troll me, but that's not much of an accomplishment. [07:40]
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Faux Just found a 3 year old encryption library that's in use via. a private github url in our project. [07:54]
Stummi cool [07:54]
fotato Qq, nobody answered in #idea-users - how to set GONOSUMDB for the go tools? Failing that is there a way of setting env vars for tools run by the IDE? [08:10]
dreamreal for tools run by the ide, like the go command? [08:13]
dreamreal it doesn't look like it, but dang it, it should [08:16]
fotato right? [08:17]
dreamreal yeah [08:18]
fotato it's basically made go module support impossible for me [08:18]
dreamreal file a bug! [08:18]
fotato yeah [08:18]
dreamreal I mean, you could set it in the IDEA process overall but that seems stupid [08:18]
dreamreal and surely they have support for that stuff in clion etc [08:18]
fotato there's an update for goland, i'll update and check again [08:19]
fotato well [08:19]
fotato there's built in support and config for the `go mod` tooling in goland, but there's no options to set specific config vars for it [08:19]
fotato go 1.13 has enabled checksum verification by default for all repos, which basically fucks you if you have any private repos. [08:20]
fotato that's what GONOSUMDB is for [08:20]
dreamreal *nod* file a bug!! [08:20]
dreamreal hell, tell me about it and I'll upvote it [08:20]
fotato yep doesnt look like the update added anythign to the go modules config to support this [08:21]
dreamreal dear god someone tried to put a game called "rape day" on steam [08:22]
fotato um [08:31]
Stummi The American Health Insurace Situation in one Picture: [08:33]
scav The fact that you get to buy antibiotics over the counter, regardless of type, is fucking insane. Really? [08:36]
fotato >To celebrate our opening, we?re donating all profits on October 11 to our New York City charity partner, Conservation International. [08:36]
fotato ^ this is Blue Bottle, who are owned by Nestle. [08:36]
fotato my irony meter is in the orange. [08:36]
scav dreamreal: yeah, and someone put thousands of games where you murder other human beings on steam. why is a game with the word "rape" in the title any worse? [08:37]
fotato scav: i mean i imagine this is a variation on that theme [08:38]
scav shooting people in the face or running over them with your car is no more acceptable than rape, but i guess we draw the line somewhere? [08:38]
fotato unless someone just really likes grated vegetables. and is french. [08:39]
dreamreal I'm okay with drawing the line around rape [08:39]
scav but murder, thats fine. okay [08:39]
scav its even entertainment [08:39]
dreamreal I don't play games where one murders either [08:39]
fotato can you clarify murder here? [08:40]
scav but you specifically reacted to this game, i have never seen you comment on any other game (i could be wrong here) [08:40]
fotato i would argue most FPSs dont really depict outright murder since they're simulating a fight for survival [08:41]
scav GTA? [08:41]
fotato hence why so many of them have such 1-dimensional enemies. heaven forbid you feel bad for the things you have to shoot in the face. [08:41]
dreamreal scav: so what? [08:41]
fotato GTA isnt an FPS. [08:41]
dreamreal I mean, there're levels of visceral horror [08:42]
scav fotato: actually, there is a first person mode [08:42]
dreamreal rape is a particularly violent form of murder, in the eyes of jewish law [08:42]
scav i was unaware of rape being murder [08:42]
fotato scav: ok, but it's still not an FPS. I'd go so fa as to say that GTA is its own genre. [08:43]
dreamreal shrugs. Yet I don't call you ignorant. [08:43]
dreamreal scav: murder, theft, gossip, rape are all related [08:43]
fotato regardless i'm getting offtrack, i only brought them up as they're easy to talk about as an example. [08:44]
fotato Spec Ops: The Line tried to do moral ambiguity in an FPS. it.... didnt really work [08:44]
scav according to you, they are not related, according to you "ape is a particularly violent form of murder". [08:44]
scav s/ape/rape [08:44]
dreamreal scav: what? [08:45]
dreamreal according to me they ARE related [08:45]
dreamreal they all involve taking something from the victim [08:45]
dreamreal in some cases there are compensations (you can return stolen goods, for example) [08:45]
fotato 'here's your dignity back, sorry lol' [08:46]
dreamreal but you can't unrape someone, you can't unkill someone, you can't restore someone's good name once you've dragged them through the mud [08:46]
dreamreal you can't unsay words [08:46]
dreamreal in ancient law you could marry the person you raped, but that was... not long-lived, thank god [08:46]
fotato i like to occasionally remind myself that the word 'sarcasm' literally translates to 'tearing flesh' [08:46]
dreamreal (you were required to take care of them for the rest of their lives) [08:47]
fotato how did that interoperate with already married men? [08:47]
fotato was the man's wife... required to divorce him? although i guess jews were polygamist for a hot minute [08:48]
dreamreal polygamy [08:48]
dreamreal plus "wife" wasn't always interpreted as "lawfully wedded" [08:48]
dreamreal and the rabbis wouldn't grant a get (divorce) to a man who wanted to divorce a woman he'd raped [08:48]
dreamreal he fucked her, now he's fucked so to speak [08:48]
scav okay, i'm done. not going to discuss this with you when you not only insinuate that i am ignorant for not agreeing with the statement "rape is a particularly violent form of murder" but you also redefine the premise of the discussion to fit your narrative multiple times in an impressively small number of sentences [08:48]
dreamreal I'm ... explicitly saying I don't think you're ignorant [08:49]
dreamreal but okay [08:49]
dreamreal and I said that rape and murder were related, and how I formed that opinion [08:49]
scav "Yet I don't call you ignorant." - common. you can do better [08:49]
fotato is this channel on its period or something [08:49]
scav i am always on my period [08:50]
scav its the supplements [08:50]
dreamreal scav: I don't call you ignorant... maybe because I don't think you're ignorant? [08:50]
fotato not sure if that was misogynistic. probably. [08:50]
dreamreal although I'm starting to change my mind now, WTF [08:50]
fotato >Software Engineer to 65k West London [08:51]
fotato thanks guys lol. [08:51]
sonOfRa Oh, also (I know it's been a while) the main reason why the cops don't just copy the hardware and then give it back is simply evidence rules [08:53]
sonOfRa Hard to prove that whatever made the copy made a real copy and that it's actually your stuff [08:53]
scav fotato: i think it's fine. trump moved the bar for everyone, you included [08:55]
fotato oh ok [08:56]
fotato grabs scav's pussy in relief [08:56]
scav HEY! [08:56]
fotato you asked for it by existing. [08:56]
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scav Actually I asked for it for being so good looking [09:20]
fotato dreamreal: support had a workaround by using `go env -w GONOSUMDB=<desired value>` from any shell which writes to some file somewhere. [09:37]
dreamreal ew [09:37]
fotato shrug. whatever works. [09:38]
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fotato ay PS5 launches Holiday 2020 [09:48]
freeone3000 ugh why do they have to keep making new consoles. the current ones are fine. [09:50]
freeone3000 I still haven't finished playing yakuza. [09:51]
freeone3000 "Single-player games will provide information like what missions you could do and what rewards you might receive for completing them?and all of those choices will be visible in the UI" fuck no [09:51]
freeone3000 Looks like they're going to win Most Innovative Controller award yet again [09:53]
freeone3000 how do I hard pass on something this much? [09:54]
fotato i guess now's a good time to sell my ps4 pro since i done have any games to play for i- oh god dmnit TLOU2 is coming isnt it [09:58]
freeone3000 right? tlou2, persona 5: subtitle, ... [09:58]
fotato literally those two [09:59]
fotato and i'm not even interested in the latter. [09:59]
freeone3000 but you get to play persona 5 again, this time with some minor quality of life updates and a new character who's mostly irrelevant? [10:10]
fotato ....yay? [10:13]
dreamreal In other news: skyrim is... grundy [10:25]
dreamreal grindy [10:25]
freeone3000 Isn't that the entire game? [10:27]
freeone3000 Make a ton of daggers, get to level 100, have won? [10:27]
sonOfRa So. Many. Daggers. [10:27]
fotato you dont really need to do that thi [10:28]
fotato hti [10:28]
fotato fuck [10:28]
fotato i jjust had a health screening and the finger bandaid is breaking my typing [10:28]
KekSi 12:28:34 < fotato> I lunge to work every day. [10:29]
KekSi haha, made me laugh out loud [10:29]
KekSi thinking you work at the ministry of silly walks [10:29]
fotato lunges heartily [10:29]
KekSi i did walk/hike quite a bit on vacation (like at least 1-3h per day) but it's no replacement for burpees [10:30]
KekSi but then it was vacation and i deserve the pains for not doing shit while i was in the US [10:30]
fotato i dont really work out on vacation either [10:31]
KekSi we also only had a single hotel/motel that actually had a gym [10:32]
fotato dreamreal: [10:32]
fotato i've done stuff in hotel rooms before [10:32]
KekSi which was like a stepper and some dumbbells in a small room [10:32]
Faux hurr [10:32]
fotato dips/air squats, ushups, etc [10:32]
Faux hurrrrr [10:32]
KekSi yes yes, coulda, shoulda whatevs [10:32]
KekSi preferred drinking beers every night [10:33]
fotato i have a set of resistance bands i'll proibably throw int o my bag next tiime i travel [10:33]
fotato fucking hell im taking off this bandaid [10:33]
KekSi mate i travelled and shared rooms with doesn't do sports at all [10:33]
KekSi unless you count drinking [10:33]
fotato my frinking team has a serious football problem. [10:34]
fotato firnk [10:34]
fotato frriiiiiiiink [10:34]
KekSi yeah, that about fits the theme [10:34]
KekSi somehow i still lost 4kg in those 3 weeks of vacation [10:35]
fotato it was muscle. [10:35]
KekSi with burgers and all that beer and all that breakfast [10:35]
KekSi yeah that's what i suspect [10:35]
KekSi i wonder how quickly you lose muscle [10:35]
fotato quickly. [10:35]
KekSi i suspected i'd lose 2kg of muscle and gain 5kg of fat [10:35]
fotato you might also be massively dehydrated. [10:36]
KekSi but -4kg overall got me thinking [10:36]
fotato your normal weight can fluctuate 2kg [10:36]
KekSi no, always weigh myself in the morning [10:36]
dreamreal fotato: already upvoted :) [10:36]
KekSi checked several times and -4kg is what i got [10:36]
KekSi anyhow, FEIERABEND [10:36]
fotato uwot [10:37]
KekSi imma go home and later see the newest tarantino movie with the japanese girl i've been screwing for 2 months (4 weeks of which either her or me being on vacation) [10:38]
freeone3000 nice and *nice* [10:39]
freeone3000 so me following geopolitics actually taught me who drew Winnie the Pooh [10:48]
dreamreal milne didn't? [10:48]
fotato E. H. Shepard [10:49]
dreamreal ok [10:49]
dreamreal makes a note and forgets where he put it already [10:49]
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freeone3000 Yay, I can now renew my health card by online form! [12:46]
freeone3000 Instead of by phone. In french. [12:47]
freeone3000 fotato: haha they were willing to use my left thumb :D [12:47]
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fotato freeone3000: ... uh? [12:52]
freeone3000 fotato: I also had a health screening which involved a finger prick for something-or-other, and they let me choose a finger. I spacebar with my right thumb, so now my ability to type is unhindered! :D [12:55]
freeone3000 There is no downside to this [12:55]
freeone3000 definitely didn't want to play Mario today [12:55]
sonOfRa what the hell [12:56]
sonOfRa My tarsnap backup script succeeds if ran on the command line [12:56]
sonOfRa But when I let systemd run it, it fails with broken pipe [12:57]
freeone3000 your script has the "doesn't give good head(1)" problem [12:57]
freeone3000 if you run it ` | head -n 1` does it work? [12:58]
sonOfRa yes [12:58]
freeone3000 `setsid sh -c < /dev/null 2>&1` work? [12:59]
freeone3000 does `setsid sh -c < /dev/null 2>&1` work? [12:59]
freeone3000 GiskardReventlov: who are you? [12:59]
sonOfRa he's a bot that voices people [01:00]
sonOfRa amcbain made him during the spam wave [01:00]
sonOfRa ` is his trigger [01:00]
sonOfRa D [01:00]
fotato freeone3000: hah ok. I went with my right ring finger. It heals quickly anyway. They also prick like. The side, not the tip [01:00]
freeone3000 still hurts if you press it :( [01:00]
fotato `voice freeone3000 [01:01]
sonOfRa has the script, the unit, and the output [01:01]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: has details on this [01:02]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "84923 writes to stdout (via journald) result in -EPIPE after systemd-journald.service restart" [01:02]
fotato freeone3000: huh. Really? Mine is barely noticeable [01:02]
fotato I can?t actually see where they pricked it now. [01:03]
freeone3000 I may just be a big baby. [01:03]
sonOfRa the setsid version also works [01:04]
freeone3000 yeah, okay, so signs are pointing to it being a systemd problem, because... systemd has an open bug for this [01:04]
freeone3000 well, a 'closed' bug but that means 'still open' [01:04]
sonOfRa since 2014 [01:04]
sonOfRa fucking hell [01:04]
freeone3000 and people wonder why I still run sysvinit with anacron! it's because of this! [01:06]
sonOfRa but I read that bug as if it should only happen when journald restarts while the unit is doing its thing? [01:08]
dreamreal heh, the channel bot's named by an asimov fan, eh. From Foundation or the Lije Bailey series? [01:10]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: possibly? I don't know how often or if journald restarts [01:12]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: Alternatively, it looks like if journald restarts *ever*, then the writes all fail [01:12]
sonOfRa oh [01:12]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: Maybe deliberately redirecting to your own log file could fix this? [01:12]
sonOfRa right. GOnna check that, but first, dinner [01:13]
sonOfRa ah, tarsnap is writing to stdout, which apparently you can't do from within a unit, because stdout goes to the journal [01:41]
freeone3000 and why is that a problem? [01:44]
sonOfRa I have no fucking clue [01:45]
sonOfRa mailing list says this line is what's triggering it [01:45]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "tarsnap/multitape_stats.c at master Tarsnap/tarsnap GitHub" [01:45]
freeone3000 yeah, that'd trigger it if you don't have STDOUT, but why don't you have stdout? [01:48]
freeone3000 I mean, you don't get EPIPE if it's redirected to /dev/null, you'd only get EPIPE if your parent process *closed* stdout explicitly [01:48]
sonOfRa I don't really understand why the default setting of "journal" would be causing this behaviour [01:51]
freeone3000 "because systemd" [01:53]
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sonOfRa Okay I solved it by just not doing the "don't do backups if they're already created" thing [02:29]
sonOfRa It'll just error and send me an email, but I guess I'd want to know anyway if it tried to do backup twice and figure out why [02:30]
dreamreal huh, mobaxterm can open WSL sessions out of the box [02:31]
yawkat and now java-browser has full diffing of source files and package structures: [03:08]
yawkat yawkat's title: "java/12 : java.base/java/lang/" [03:08]
yawkat also, how do red-green blind people manage to survive as programmers? [03:09]
dreamreal yawkat: The module nd package and classnames right to the right ofthe home button should be links [03:09]
dreamreal and it's not obvious on the surface that the clock is how you access diffs but I don't think that's a big deal [03:10]
yawkat im scared of implementing that, because right now source files are detached from actual class names. [03:10]
dreamreal yawkat ++ [03:10]
dreamreal yawkat has a karma level of 327, dreamreal [03:10]
dreamreal *nod* [03:10]
Faux yawkat: Darker reds and greens are very distinguishable for the vast majority of red/green troublesome people. [03:11]
yawkat ah, so i just need to crank up brightness to annoy them? :) [03:11]
dreamreal I can see them fine, but I'm not traditionally colorblind, either :/ [03:12]
Faux compare 11 and 14. [03:12]
Faux I'm not but a guy I know with no filter is. >.> [03:12]
dreamreal (I have achromatopsy, but it's some weird color translation, like refraction, not trad red/green colorblindness - which is why I prefer to create simple monochrome color schemes. Left to my own devices I'd create rather violently clashing color palettes.) [03:13]
Faux Or 3 and 11, etc. [03:13]
yawkat dreamreal: chromatic aberration? [03:14]
dreamreal On the tritanopia pallate, are #4 and #11 the same? and #13? [03:14]
dreamreal yawkat: I don't know what it's called besides achromatopsy [03:14]
Faux 4 and 13 are similar (13 is darker); 11 is quite a bit darker. [03:15]
dreamreal I can't generally tell reds apart, and there are other colors that look just... wrong [03:15]
sonOfRa 4 and 13 look the same to me in tritanopia, but 11 does not look the same [03:15]
dreamreal sonOfRa: *nod* [03:15]
dreamreal see I can barely distinguish them and it might be that I'm THINKING their distinguished [03:15]
dreamreal they're [03:15]
dreamreal this is why every UI job that crosses my desk gets laughed at and roundfiled [03:16]
dreamreal there's no way I'd get it [03:16]
Faux [03:16]
dreamreal in protanopia, #14 and #15 are the same? [03:16]
dreamreal Faux: I'm ... not sure... what that's showing me :/ [03:16]
Faux Close; 15 is .. butterer. [03:16]
Faux dreamreal: Mostly that I hate gimp. [03:17]
dreamreal anyway, as you can see, me and colors don't get along well :) [03:17]
dreamreal but I can pass most red/green colorblindness tests [03:17]
Faux All yawkat needs is to know that 11/14 is an okay combo. :) [03:17]
dreamreal see, I see a blue square with a dot, and a brown C below that, and a couple of triangles with a dark something patch to the right of the circle [03:18]
yawkat unfortunately 14 is ugly and 11 is too dark. [03:18]
yawkat ima just let colorblind people fend for themselves and add +/- symbols. [03:18]
dreamreal I don't even know how I'd describe it, but my kids keep saying stuff like "you don't see that? What about this?" when playing with color combinations they know I struggle with [03:18]
dreamreal I often suspect they are showing me the same colors just to be mean :D [03:19]
sonOfRa dreamreal: I'M sure *you* would never be mean enough to do such a thing, and your children, being raised by you, wouldn't either! [03:20]
dreamreal sonOfRa: Hey, IRL I'm actually a pretty nice guy, if a ... uh... bit sarcastic [03:20]
dreamreal My rep's a lot meaner than I actually am, and that's been true since I hit my 20s [03:22]
dreamreal before then, well... I probably deserved it. When I was in high school if you wanted to feel bad about yourself, you'd ask me to compliment you. [03:23]
dreamreal "Hey, you look like you've lost weight, you can barely fit into those jeans now. And your makeup's looking less streaky, too. Nicely done. Before too long, someone with less than a fifth of bourbon in them will find you attractive, Chunky Style." [03:24]
dreamreal (I went to a Christian high school as an openly observant Jew - it was not an especially pleasant environment and I tended to be a little defensive.) [03:26]
dreamreal (They weren't usually mean to me outright, although some were, but being "the mission field" on a daily basis...) [03:27]
fotato lookin' good today, dreamreal. looks like the doctors managed to scoop all the bits of your face back into the generally correct place. [03:29]
fotato ( to be clear, no offence actually intended) [03:37]
dreamreal fotato: well, you know what my face looks like, that'd probably be a compliment IRL :) [03:37]
fotato i've seen the artists impression [03:38]
dreamreal It improves my visage quite a bit [03:38]
dreamreal I'm actually much uglier [03:38]
dreamreal It's difficult to insult my appearance - not only is most of it true, but I've heard everything [03:38]
freeone3000 Yay, I can now renew my health insurance card online! [03:49]
freeone3000 Instead of BY PHONE. In FRENCH. [03:49]
Faux BON JOUR [03:49]
freeone3000 it's worse, because it's quebecoi. [03:49]
fotato je suis desolait, je suis un english cunt. [03:50]
Faux I hope "desolait" was a really good attempt at a quebecoi accent. [03:50]
freeone3000 "bonjwaererel. merci d'aweoriwear. Si reqreoawierw de primero neurf" [03:50]
freeone3000 yeah. [03:50]
fotato Faux: i hve no idea how to french. [03:50]
fotato ok the A key is going on this keyboard [03:51]
freeone3000 I heard Parisian once and it was *so nice*. Crisp consonants, actual differentiated vowels, beautiful language. [03:51]
Faux Quebecoi is easy, you take French (where all vowels and the second half of the word is deleted), and you replace all remaining sounds with aaaarraahahahra, and add some extra letters for no reason. [03:51]
sonOfRa Hoora, gentoo finally marked openssl 1.1.1 as stable! [03:54]
freeone3000 uhm. yeah. I've been using 1.2.1 since... 2014? [03:55]
sonOfRa freeone3000: I... don't think so? [03:56]
Faux I also don't think so. [03:56]
sonOfRa 1.1.1 came out september '18 [03:57]
freeone3000 oh. huh. what have I been using then? [03:57]
Faux was pretty good. [03:57]
Faux Faux's title: "Switch to the Rust backend by default by alexcrichton Pull Request #216 alexcrichton/flate2-rs GitHub" [03:57]
freeone3000 0.9.2. right. [03:57]
sonOfRa D [03:57]
Faux NOOOOOOO [03:57]
sonOfRa Does that even support TLS 1.0 [03:57]
sonOfRa like [03:57]
sonOfRa 0.9.2 is literally 20 years old now [03:57]
freeone3000 what a release schedule [03:58]
freeone3000 in case anyone unremembered captain kangaroo [04:09]
dreamreal freeone3000: heh. I remember him! Mr. Green Jeans etc [04:10]
fotato [04:11]
fotato waz: [04:11]
fotato wait [04:11]
fotato oops. [04:11]
fotato i thought i posted it elsewhere [04:11]
waz haha, I saw that yesterday [04:13]
tang^ oh sweet. I want those [04:15]
sonOfRa I can't even view the links [04:15]
sonOfRa Because it force redirects me to, where star-wars doesn't exist [04:16]
tang^ I got redirected to home page [04:16]
sonOfRa Oh, now it does after trying again, nevermind. But yeah. Redirect me to where I wanted to go next time, crap website [04:16]
tang^ fortunately, starwars was displayed prominently [04:16]
sonOfRa well well well [04:17]
tang^ yeah, I hate that international websites have no idea how to keep you on the detail page after redirecting to your own country [04:17]
sonOfRa I think I have a christmas present for the gf. [04:17]
tang^ does it say when they'll be out? [04:17]
sonOfRa german page says available november 1 [04:17]
sonOfRa Under the frozen han solo [04:17]
tang^ ah, I hadn't gotten to a sale page [04:17]
tang^ hahaha... preorder the millenium falcon trivet... "out of stock" [04:19]
fotato i can't believe i just entered a lottery to be able to buy a $900 dutch oven. [04:19]
fotato tang^: not available to order until 1 nov, that's probably just poor site design [04:19]
sonOfRa wait what [04:19]
tang^ of all of them, the millenium falcon trivet is marked as out of stock [04:20]
sonOfRa $900 [04:20]
fotato hm [04:20]
tang^ the rest are available to preorder [04:20]
fotato weird it's not here. [04:20]
fotato on any of them [04:20]
tang^ lessee, $500 each for han solo and vader, $100 for the droid set, $20 for the trivets [04:20]
fotato i want that carbonite roaster [04:20]
tang^ CAD, that is [04:20]
sonOfRa Jesus christ. Guess I *don't* have a christmas present for the gf, then [04:21]
tang^ five trivets and all the pots and there's $1200 CAD easy [04:21]
tang^ yeah, Le Creuset is not cheap [04:21]
Faux Yeah, but they're French, so they're Better. [04:22]
tang^ yeah, I've not heard bad about the brand [04:22]
freeone3000 a pot is literally a chunk of metal there's not a ton of provenaunce here [04:22]
tang^ also, contest? [04:22]
tang^ chunk of metal plus enamel [04:23]
Faux If you buy really expensive ones they stain all your furniture. [04:24]
Faux (I hate rich people.) [04:24]
tang^ that's an extra service? [04:24]
tang^ cool [04:24]
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freeone3000 how do they stain your furniture? [04:35]
Faux By being made from actual materials, and not being coated in plastic, so they make rust on everything even when perfectly dry. [04:35]
tang^ well, that's why Le Creuset coats theirs in enamel [04:38]
Faux Not if you buy the really expensive ones. [04:39]
tang^ I must not be looking in the right place [04:43]
tang^ or it knows how much money I have and is hiding the expensive stuff [04:43]
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fotato Faux: all le creuset pans are enamelled inside and out. The inside is sometimes a rough black that looks like iron, but it?s not. [07:42]
fotato The edges are not, like, the lip, but that?s from the practicality of enamel. [07:42]
fotato Also you think le creuset is expensive? Lol staub [07:44]
fotato That being said, if you pay full price for any of this stuff, you?re an idiot. It?s frequently available for 60% off. [07:45]
fotato Assuming you don?t care about the latest colours. And really why would you, with a pan that will outlive your grandkids [07:45]
fotato For anyone in the USA: [07:47]
fotato fotato's title: "Buy Clearance | Official ZWILLING Shop" [07:47]
dodobrain if they are enamelled properly, the "rust" on dinner tables from the utensils is really from whatever crap the utensils were on earlier [07:49]
fotato Also that. [07:49]
fotato If you dry them upside down the lip will stain [07:50]
dodobrain jup [07:50]
fotato Rest them on something so they don?t. [07:50]
dodobrain that clearance is not bad.. thats usually close to the right price [07:50]
fotato Yeah. A lot of visual imperfections stuff atm but I?ve got a really good deal on an oval 6qt cocotte off there before. [07:51]
fotato Also I doubt the imperfections are anything to be concerned about. [07:51]
dodobrain i've got 2 (maybe 3 cant remember) from local garage sales [07:51]
fotato Staub? [07:51]
dodobrain for dirt cheap .. like 5 dollarydoos or something each [07:52]
dodobrain yeah [07:52]
fotato That stuff is ace. I love the lid design [07:52]
fotato Who the fuck would sell a staub pan on [07:52]
dodobrain someone who has no idea what the hell it is? i think one of them was purchased from a garage sale where the couple were divorcing and the woman had no freaking idea what these things were cos she has never cooked in her life! [07:53]
dodobrain D [07:53]
fotato Christ I hate rich people [07:53]
dodobrain hehe [07:53]
dodobrain i think i got 1 from another garage sale where the old lady had passed away and the kids+grandkids were clearing out the things [07:55]
fotato Man [07:56]
fotato Like. I get it [07:56]
fotato But those pans are almost always going to be better than something you already have. [07:56]
dodobrain yes, i know.. i feel bad sometimes getting all these good things for almost nothing [07:56]
fotato I?m in a sushi restaurant [07:56]
fotato Man next to me just asked the waitress ?is this sushi or raw?? [07:56]
dodobrain lawl [07:57]
dodobrain she should have responded "this is sparta!" and kicked the heck out of the guy [07:57]
fotato Ah he?s ESL [07:57]
dodobrain ESL ? [07:57]
dodobrain oh english as a second language? [07:57]
fotato English as a second language [07:57]
fotato He could be Greek. [07:58]
dodobrain oh well, did he eat the stuff? [07:59]
dodobrain is this a sushi train type restaurant? [08:00]
fotato Nah it?s a cheap mom and pop place [08:00]
dodobrain sushi train places can be cheap as well [08:00]
fotato He actually knows what he?s ordering. I may also have misheard. I now think he asked ?sushi or roll? [08:00]
dodobrain ah, ok [08:00]
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fotato I should probably link the Cheap Staub Link for waz [08:04]
fotato Or he can check the logs because lazy. [08:04]
waz bastard [08:06]
dodobrain [08:06]
dodobrain dodobrain's title: "Buy Clearance | Official ZWILLING Shop" [08:06]
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dodobrain wait, dont tell me i got to paste the link again for YottaByte too! [08:07]
waz haha, I had already checked the logs :) [08:07]
dodobrain p [08:07]
waz are on my list to get soon [08:11]
waz waz's title: "Saute pan n.25 - Buy in DARTO" [08:11]
fotato Pretty. Iron? [08:13]
fotato I mean lodge is the goto here [08:14]
fotato For like $20 [08:14]
fotato Take note Faux this will absolutely stain the fuck out of everything. [08:14]
waz it's not cast iron [08:18]
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waz I guess lodge does carbon steel too now [08:20]
fotato Oh steel. The description was confusing [08:20]
waz darto is nice because they are one peice [08:21]
waz most have the handles rivited or spot welded on [08:21]
fotato Yeah that is pretty cool [08:21]
dreamreal yawkat: I'm thinking about starting the podcast again, although it won't be branded quite the same [09:16]
dodobrain oh, you have a podcast? [09:18]
dreamreal ... not really, had a ##java podcast for a while [09:19]
dodobrain are these recorded somewhere for listening? [09:20]
dreamreal but I'm thinking of starting it back up with different branding and focus (less ##java, more java-ish) [09:20]
dreamreal has them, I think [09:20]
dodobrain moar #java-talk ? [09:20]
dodobrain hides [09:20]
dreamreal no [09:20]
dodobrain p [09:20]
dreamreal the idea is to detach it more from ##java - it was originally built off of content submitted via the channel, but that's really difficult to sustain, and it ends up being less interesting than free-form topics [09:21]
dodobrain im just kidding. podcast based off this channel will most likely be "acuzio is being acuzio" or something along those lines [09:21]
dreamreal the best episodes were when the cohost and I just... you know, picked a topic and ran with it, what with having close to 50-60 years of experience between us [09:22]
dodobrain umm.. maybe im so hungry for lunch that im not seeing a link to the audio here? [09:25]
dreamreal dunno, would have to talk to yawkat about them [10:19]
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