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TomTom [TomTom!uid45892@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xymcehzwunkjouzn] has joined #java-talk [01:05]
sonOfRa good morning [02:11]
KekSi reboot.. installing macos catalina.. and probably breaking my entire system :E [02:15]
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puppy_za morning [03:02]
Maldivia KekSi: yeah, don't do that if you do anything with JAva :D [03:03]
Bombe KekSi, do you like living on the edge (with all its consequences) or are you a whiny bitchy idiot? [03:04]
Maldivia KekSi: the requirement for notarized binaries is sure to make things go haywire :D [03:05]
KekSi actually so far there haven't been any problems [03:08]
KekSi it re-opened vscode, intellij, msteams, 2 chrome instances and even *asked* whether i want to replace bash with zsh as the default shell (telling me the command to do so) [03:08]
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KekSi so far only downsites i can see are that it added appletv and podcasts to my taskbar down there but unlike cortana & the search bar in win10 they could be removed like everything else [03:22]
KekSi spotify apparently doesn't work any more in the version i have installed (haven't touched that in 2 or 3 years so whatevs) [03:23]
KekSi calender forgot whose calendars i had set up in there [03:23]
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Bombe KekSi, did you have a specific reason to update? [03:50]
Bombe (Well, besides curiosity.) [03:50]
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Stummi Do you think the Pixel 3 (and companions like XL and a) price will noticeably drop after the pixel 4 release? [04:31]
Stummi I need a new phone and I am considering if I should wait til end of the month or so [04:32]
Faux They have done sales for stock clearance before. [04:32]
Stummi okay, so I should wait [04:37]
Faux I wonder if they'll keep selling the 3a as a full product, 'cos it was only announced recently, wasn't it? [04:38]
Stummi even considering getting the 3a, cause I don't want to throw too much money on a smartphone and this seems to be good compromise on price, specs and lifetime [04:38]
Faux Amen to that, brother. [04:38]
Faux Only real problem with my 7plus is the charging defect, which I can reasonably mitigate. [04:39]
Stummi Faux, 3a has a later eol than 3, so I assume they will sell it for longer time [04:39]
Stummi https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705 [04:40]
Stummi Stummi's title: "Learn when you'll get Android updates on Pixel phones & Nexus devices - Nexus Help" [04:40]
Faux Good spot. [04:40]
Stummi (with lifetime I meant EOL, assuming I don't fuck up that phone otherwise in the meantime ;) ) [04:40]
Faux Yeah, don't give it a charging defect. >.> [04:41]
sonOfRa wish me luck, waiting for a call back from the police so I can talk to them about getting my things back \o/ [04:42]
Stummi well, that would be quite fast for the german police [04:42]
Stummi I press my thumbs for you! :p [04:43]
sonOfRa the warrant is rather obviously based on facts that weren't understood correctly by the person wanting who requested the warrant. Lawyer said there's a decent chance that if I explain it to them properly, I might get my stuff back more or less immediately [04:44]
sonOfRa And if that doesn't work, we will be exploring other options [04:44]
Stummi so, are you still going to use the hardware or burning it after getting it back? [04:45]
sonOfRa Not quite sure on that, yet [04:45]
sonOfRa My graphics card I'll definitely keep [04:45]
sonOfRa Other things, no idea [04:45]
Stummi on the one hand, I don't think our police is competent enough to do a good, not noticable eavesdrop on your hardware ;) [04:46]
sonOfRa Exactly [04:46]
Faux would totes use it, totally not worth the risk of being discovered on anything interesting. [04:47]
Faux I would cycle everything, though; complete reinstalls, new keys etc. [04:47]
sonOfRa yeah, definitely [04:47]
sonOfRa Going to buy a big external drive and a sata dock so I can back things up without booting the systems themselves (*can* you do that with bitlockered disks?) [04:48]
Stummi maybe take a quick glance at the hardware for any obvious signs of case intrusion or something, but if it looks clear, go with it [04:49]
sonOfRa was going to replace the board, CPU and RAM at the end of the year anyhow [04:50]
sonOfRa but might have to postpone that since I already bought a new phone [04:50]
Faux It is possible to do TPM-style encryption with buttlocker I think, wherein an image of the drive, and the password, is useless if the mobo is gone. [04:50]
Faux No idea what it does by default. [04:50]
sonOfRa It does that by default, in fact, you have to enable a group policy that makes you able to use bitlocker at all without having a TPM [04:51]
Faux TPM-style being exactly what you want for cattle in a datacentre, but absolutely not what you want on a desktop. [04:51]
dreamreal yawkat: yo [04:58]
yawkat dreamreal: yo [05:12]
yawkat sonOfRa: can you say what the warrant was for? [05:12]
dreamreal yawkat: was thinking about cranking up the podcast again, with slightly different focus and process. [05:12]
sonOfRa https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/176a.html [05:13]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: " 176a StGB Schwerer sexueller Mibrauch von Kindern - dejure.org" [05:13]
dreamreal Also wondered if the old ones are available on the blog any more [05:13]
sonOfRa (I'm a witness, not a suspect) [05:13]
Faux <3 Google Translate: "Heavy sexual abuse of children". [05:13]
Faux It's calling you fat, sonOfRa. [05:13]
yawkat sonOfRa: they can issue warrants for witnesses? [05:15]
sonOfRa Yup [05:15]
sonOfRa 103StPO, Durchsung bei anderen Personen [05:15]
sonOfRa Durchsuchung [05:15]
yawkat love this country [05:15]
sonOfRa In most states, there will be an interrogation before they search you [05:15]
yawkat witness because of your tox work or why? [05:15]
sonOfRa If the warrant comes from bavaria, hahaha we're taking your stuff [05:16]
sonOfRa yawkat yes [05:16]
yawkat amazing [05:16]
sonOfRa I ran a DHT bootstrap node, and they found evidence on the suspect's computer that they connected to my node. [05:16]
yawkat theyll be able to look at the top secret code base! [05:16]
sonOfRa Which is equivalent to looking into a phone book [05:16]
sonOfRa Clearly that makes me a witness. The search warrant is to collect chat logs with the suspect [05:16]
sonOfRa Which don't, and can't exist, because a bootstrap node doesn't chat. [05:17]
yawkat didnt expect anything less off our police. [05:17]
sonOfRa So the plan right now is to call them and explain (I actually have a written piece for this, in hopes that they want that help), and maybe make them realize their mistake. Lawyer thinks chances of that aren't terrible [05:18]
sonOfRa And if that doesn't work, we'll file a formal complaint against the warrant on several grounds [05:18]
Stummi sonOfRa, actually I am not quite sure if the phonebook equivalent is really a good match here. I think if someone would tell a phonebook company as "please list me as the local Child Porn distributor", and they just do it, without any more measures, I think they would be treated similar by the police [05:21]
KekSi Bombe: no, i don't like running outdated software and so far macos updates have most likely been amusing bugfests that didn't really stop my ability to use the computer (unlike windows 10's updates) [05:22]
sonOfRa hence phone book, not yellow pages ;). Obviously the analogy doesn't *quite* fit, but it's a tool to help [05:22]
Stummi just saying. Not that I am not agreeing with you here [05:22]
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Stummi though, I can't really come up with a good IRL example too for a Directory Provider not beeing liable for listing shady stuff without check on request [05:25]
Stummi because, welll, IRL works different than Neuland [05:26]
sonOfRa Yeah [05:26]
sonOfRa Whole deal is that the node only knows the ID, which is a public key, and an ip:port pair [05:26]
sonOfRa Unless you manage to encode "I distribute child porn" into your ipv6 address, you can't really convey anything [05:27]
Faux 6969::11:12:13:14:15:ebe [05:27]
sonOfRa ... [05:28]
Stummi I don't know if I should be impressed or terrified by Faux [05:28]
Faux Yeah yeah, the first bits are reserved, I know. [05:28]
Stummi this is uncanny: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/requiem-for-a-dil [05:34]
Stummi Stummi's title: "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Requiem for a Dil" [05:34]
Stummi especially the hi res dilbert inbetween [05:35]
Faux Haha, the button. [05:36]
Stummi yeah [05:38]
puppy_za Zach is not wrong [05:42]
Faux I was hoping it was going to say it was a guest publication by the dilbert guy. [05:44]
puppy_za I don't think he would be a good friend of Adam [05:44]
surial Stummi: that high res bit is scary. And then 'I search the armory of my soul and find not one rebellious sword drawn from its scabbard'? That doesn't even make sense, but in light of dilbert, who grew some big fat eyebrows in this panel, apparently going insane, it kinda works. [05:44]
puppy_za Adams [05:45]
KekSi it's the third day back at work and i feel like i haven't been on vacation already [05:51]
sonOfRa "Yeah we'll gladly take your help on the tox network, but even though it's obvious that you're not involved, we're keeping your stuff" [05:59]
sonOfRa Well that mission was a bust. [05:59]
Faux Fuckers. [06:00]
[twisti] sonOfRa: do you know uwe vetter ? he likes to take on cases with media relevance, which it seems like yours certainly might be [06:05]
sonOfRa I have a lawyer, but I did mail vetter as well, but didn't get any reply [06:05]
[twisti] ( [06:05]
sonOfRa Neither did I get one from netzpolitik.org [06:05]
[twisti] shitty [06:06]
sonOfRa I wrote to the EFF yesterday, but nothing so far [06:06]
sonOfRa only one that actually published anything is Fefe [06:06]
surial dang, that's good. https://twitter.com/digitallawyer/status/1181348689756864513 [06:07]
surial surial's title: "Pieter Gunst on Twitter: "Oooof. Was just subjected to the most credible phishing attempt I've experienced to date. Here were the steps: 1) "Hi, this is your bank. There was an attempt to use your card in Miami, Florida. Was this you?" Me: no."" [06:07]
Faux Yeah. [06:11]
[twisti] damn [06:13]
[twisti] i should tr... nevermind, actually [06:13]
[twisti] 'i was just trying to trick friends to teach them to pay more attention' probably doesnt work in court [06:13]
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yawkat dreamreal: ive made a blog post with the old episodes: https://javachannel.org/posts/old-podcast-episodes/ [06:44]
fotato [twisti]: our work does simulated phishing attacks [07:00]
[twisti] neat [07:00]
[twisti] i wanted to intern at a pentester company once, but understandably they were reluctant to accept interns in that line of work [07:00]
fotato Just read that thread. Now I know why the texts from my banks with OTPs usually say ?we will never ask you for this code? [07:02]
surial fotato: it's so simple yet ingenious, though. The major fuckup by the bank here is that the verification SMS should include the text 'here is your password reset verification code' and not just 'here is your verification code'. [07:04]
KidBeta [twisti]: why not join now. [07:04]
KidBeta tbh its kinda terrifying work. [07:05]
sonOfRa Any Authy users here? [07:06]
surial eh, it's mostly 'run this automated tool. Dump report with client. Deal with the mutual annoyances where all the shit your tool found is easily defended as not a security issue by the product b eing pentested'. [07:06]
sonOfRa Is there a way to make a *local* backup of my keys? [07:06]
surial NOw, the real fancy pentest where you attempt to social engineer your way into the building and such, and you get to do creative things like littering USB sticks on the parket lot and such? NOw that's fun. [07:07]
KidBeta surial: depends what you do. [07:07]
sonOfRa As in, somehow export the otp seeds so I can save them somewhere securely, in case I get *all* my stuff stolen by the police *again* at some point [07:07]
KidBeta showing a client its trivial to go from unauthed on the network to domain admin in about 5 steps is kinda horrifying. [07:07]
surial sonOfRa: I have an android app called, uh.. [07:07]
surial 'Authenticator Plus'. [07:08]
surial this can make local encrypted zips [07:08]
KidBeta getting to reverse engineer phone apps is also enjoyable. [07:09]
[twisti] KidBeta: im happy at my current job [07:17]
KidBeta fair [07:17]
KidBeta what do you do ? [07:18]
Stummi sonOfRa, maybe try golem and heise as well? [07:22]
Stummi I think they like to take onto this story [07:22]
[twisti] i do data programming in java and devops [07:33]
dreamreal yawkat: thank you. Think it's a good idea to crank it back up? [07:36]
sonOfRa Yeah, those are on my list as well [07:40]
yawkat dreamreal: idk, i dont listen to podcasts [07:48]
dreamreal yawkat: *nod* I've been starting some myself, it's actually been surprisingly useful [07:49]
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Stummi [twisti], what exactly is "data programming"? [08:35]
Stummi ML stuff? [08:36]
[twisti] no, nothing fancy like that [08:37]
[twisti] old school data processing, we get lots of data and use it to analyze things (relating to traffic/cars) [08:37]
fotato ETL! [08:38]
fotato Or whatever the fucking acronym is. [08:38]
fotato I bet you have a DATA LAKE [08:38]
fotato And use KAFKA [08:39]
fotato (Fuck I need to stop reading resumes it?s so depressing) [08:39]
[twisti] we do a lot of ETL, yeah, but we also produce tools for users who do work like this [08:39]
fotato (Please don?t list all the fucking AWS products you work with. Ec2 is not a fucking skill) [08:39]
[twisti] we are more engineers than programmers at the company, so we arent doing anything new fangled and fancy [08:40]
fotato Newfangled and fancy is often hilariously wrong. [08:40]
[twisti] and also because we work with governments we are super limited in the technologies we can use (for example no aws, google cloud, stuff like that) [08:40]
dreamreal ETLs are awesome [08:53]
dreamreal they've been what consumed my last six months [08:53]
dreamreal fotato: Azure! [08:56]
freeone3000 That's neither newfangled nor fancy [08:56]
dreamreal hee hee [08:57]
dreamreal I'm still laughing over the last screen I had that mentioned cloud: "You have cloud experience... we assume that means AWS, because of course it does" [08:57]
dreamreal my response: "Hey, I could like Azure!" (mutual laughter ensues) [08:57]
KekSi and i could just about fall asleep sitting at work.. seriously.. i wonder if this is some leftover jetlag [09:27]
Stummi theres also that google thing [09:31]
Stummi dreamreal, ^ [09:31]
dreamreal Stummi: nobody uses that crap [09:32]
sonOfRa fucking hell [09:32]
sonOfRa Shooting at a synagogue in halle, germany, 2 dead [09:33]
KekSi muslim shooter so maybe politics will finally start to wake up and realize that 80%+ of hatecrime towards jews is coming from muslims? [09:34]
sonOfRa Also threw a hand grenade at a kebab shop [09:34]
KekSi / [09:34]
KekSi so not that [09:34]
dreamreal KekSi: is 80% of hate crime towards jews from muslims? [09:35]
KekSi in germany, yes - that's the last bit of statistics i've read (in germany at least) [09:35]
sonOfRa speculation is useless anyhow until they catch the (two?) suspects [09:36]
sonOfRa Currently on the run [09:37]
KekSi and i'm absolutely not surprised -- somehow it's going into the police statistics as right-wing extremist crime [09:37]
KekSi which - at least in public opinion - sort of excludes muslims as perpetrators [09:38]
KekSi but synagogue and halle sounds more like nazis [09:39]
sonOfRa https://twitter.com/damiengayle/status/1181873327973044224 <3 [09:45]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Damien Gayle on Twitter: "The prime ministers dad, Stanley Johnson, with #ExtinctionRebellion insignia at Trafalgar Square. Another uncooperative crusty? pic.twitter.com/ZHb3S4jCUd"" [09:45]
sonOfRa I wonder how much mr johnson likes his son. [09:46]
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[twisti-alt] are there really two of me or is my bnc being weird [09:55]
Faux The other you quit ~15s after you joined. [09:55]
Faux In what was probably a netsplit. [09:55]
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[twisti-alt] oh, weird timing [09:55]
[twisti-alt] i just rebooted [09:56]
Faux Unlucky. [09:56]
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sonOfRa Man, why is twitter such shit with their 2FA [10:09]
sonOfRa You are only allowed to use 2FA if you give them your phone number [10:09]
sonOfRa By default, they send you an sms as 2fa, but you can turn that off, and use TOTP instead [10:10]
sonOfRa But if you are in TOTP mode, and then delete your phone number from your account, it *silently* disables 2fa [10:10]
Faux I need a second twitter account because some of the people I'm following have public accounts but have blocked me. [10:11]
fotato you are a bit of a dick sometimes. [10:11]
sonOfRa what's your crime [10:11]
sonOfRa Did you follow the wrong people [10:11]
Faux I assume I'm on a blocktogether list because of following political people, yeah. [10:12]
fotato WHAT A DISCOUNT https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VCAevzhP/image.png [10:12]
fotato (to be fair i think they're doing this to make it eligible for the '50% off sale items' code they're featuring heavily on the store) [10:13]
Faux I've been getting adverts for things which are worth about $20 to me (e.g. video courses), but were previously priced at $1,000 (not totally implausible, for a corporate training budget), reduced to $3, being sold as "100% off". [10:14]
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freeone3000 Faux: That's improper rounding. [10:30]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: Because if you don't give them your phone number for 2FA, how are they supposed to use it for ad targeting? [10:30]
sonOfRa yeah... [10:30]
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sonOfRa Oh nice. Turky invaded Syria [10:35]
fotato i mean they did that on monday [10:35]
Faux They want their economy trashed?? [10:36]
fotato he's done it before! [10:38]
dreamreal grrrrr [10:41]
dreamreal that's such a catastrophic, dumb move [10:41]
dreamreal I don't know the future but this is going to be a johnson-esque screwup [10:42]
freeone3000 But this way they'll finally be rid of the Kurds once and for all. [10:42]
dreamreal ... is my expectation [10:42]
dreamreal grrrrrrrr [10:42]
freeone3000 They'll have a clean, sparkly ethnicity of just Turkmen. [10:42]
dreamreal The Kurds are our freaking ALLIES [10:42]
dreamreal What the hell, Trump [10:42]
freeone3000 some people are saying that Turkey are our allies, based off that they're a NATO signatory, and the Kurds are in fact not our allies, because several of them are in fact designated terrorist organizations [10:43]
dreamreal they can both be allies in different ways, it doesn't mean we abandon one to satisfy the other [10:44]
dreamreal and giving the green light for one to annihilate the other is double-plus fucking evil [10:44]
puppy_za I recall that Kurds are effective in targeting the ISIS, so in a way, they are an asset to NATO [10:45]
dreamreal absolutely, they're a big part of the tip of the spear against ISIS [10:46]
dreamreal plus they're humans [10:46]
dreamreal which seems relevanr [10:46]
dreamreal relevant [10:46]
puppy_za yeah, humanitarian-wise, we also should not support genocide [10:47]
puppy_za but we can't have nice things when there are unstable idiots in high positions. [10:50]
freeone3000 Completed my mandatory sexual harassment training. [11:00]
puppy_za cool [11:01]
freeone3000 It sure takes a lot to be considered "harassment", huh. [11:01]
dreamreal now you know how to harass someone! [11:01]
freeone3000 I don't think I'd be comfortable doing so, given those examples! [11:01]
puppy_za this is not the case "know the rules to break them" [11:01]
fotato why does mattermost exist [11:01]
fotato it looks _exactly_ like slack [11:02]
freeone3000 Even if 90% of cases are unpunished and 95% are unreported! [11:02]
Faux fotato: You can self host it if you're autistic. [11:02]
freeone3000 fotato: You can self-host it if you need regulatory compliance. [11:02]
freeone3000 And you, for some reason, don't want to use teams. [11:02]
fotato they're trying to hire me. [11:02]
Faux Or if, say, your government has a secret-sharing treaty with the twats. [11:02]
Faux And all the major chat services are hosted by companies that will bend to the twat government. [11:03]
fotato i'm not sure i want to be a "100% remote developer relations director" [11:03]
freeone3000 It sounds like you'll spend most of your time dogfooding, that's for sure. [11:03]
fotato and getting people drunk at conferences [11:03]
fotato i think i'm too old for that. [11:03]
freeone3000 I don't think you've met any of our outreach folks. [11:04]
fotato i bet they know all the strip clubs. [11:04]
freeone3000 ...Company policy prevents me from disclosing propriatary information, such as sales tactics. [11:04]
Faux D [11:05]
fotato heh [11:05]
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freeone3000 me, reading the verge: "It's Fat Bear Week." cow: "What's fat bear week?" me: "It's the week before hibernation so all the bears are REALLY BIG." cow: "Don't tell [gay coworker]" [11:22]
Faux That was pretty much my first thought too. [11:22]
Faux Especially after that story about them raking the bears. [11:22]
fotato i read 'cow' as 'some bitch' [11:31]
fotato i dont think you need to tell <gay coworker> anything about gay culture, they have some kind of radar for this. [11:33]
freeone3000 1) it was a joke 2) these are literal bears [11:33]
freeone3000 https://earther.gizmodo.com/beadnose-the-fattest-bear-of-2018-is-the-hero-america-1829636074 [11:33]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Beadnose, the Fattest Bear of 2018, Is the Hero America Needs Right Now" [11:33]
freeone3000 https://earther.gizmodo.com/bow-down-to-holly-your-fat-bear-week-champion-of-2019-1838907823 [11:33]
fotato i mean [11:34]
fotato i knew both of these things. [11:34]
freeone3000 okay. [11:35]
ron sonOfRa: was it you [11:44]
sonOfRa it was not [11:46]
ron well good [11:47]
surial can bears get diabetes? [11:49]
ron https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/08/05/338045480/why-fat-grizzlies-dont-get-diabetes-like-we-do [11:52]
fotato https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-shooting-synagogue-attack-latest-halle-today-shooter-death-toll-grenade-a9148791.html [12:12]
fotato fotato's title: "Germany synagogue shooting: Gunman kills multiple people in Halle attack | The Independent" [12:12]
ron what did you think I was asking sonOfRa [12:13]
fotato Literally anything. [12:14]
fotato I just found out. [12:14]
ron well, it was in reference to that [12:17]
ron on account of him being german [12:17]
fotato Amazing. [12:21]
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freeone3000 Power cuts effective now in California. Just. No power. [02:07]
Bombe U S A! U S A! [02:07]
Bombe What a shithole country. [02:07]
ron well [02:08]
ron that specific electric company is going bankrupt so \_(?)_/ [02:08]
dreamreal ron: thought they said they were doing it to reduce the chances of fires [02:08]
ron dreamreal: they're doing it because they're a trash company [02:09]
freeone3000 that's a nonsense reason. trim your trees. [02:09]
dreamreal *shrug* [02:10]
dreamreal What can I say? I live on the east coast! [02:10]
ron ok? [02:11]
dreamreal I'm claiming ignorance, ron. I can only say what I've heard, I'm not there, so .... [02:12]
dreamreal I saw something on the news about them doing a blackout for fire safety reasons, that's about it [02:12]
freeone3000 digging a bit deeper: why does a blackout prevent fires? [02:17]
freeone3000 lots of places have electricity *and* no fire. [02:17]
dreamreal well, less chance of sparks from live wires, perhaps [02:18]
freeone3000 they're worried that wind will damage power lines, causing them to rub up against trees, which will then catch fire. [02:18]
freeone3000 they don't spark! [02:18]
freeone3000 or, they *shouldn't* spark! [02:18]
dreamreal which sounds like a "gee, don't have crap equipment" [02:18]
ron maybe advance with the technology and actually use underground power lines. [02:18]
freeone3000 no, too expensive [02:19]
freeone3000 trim your trees, don't use crap equipment, inspect on a regular schedule. [02:19]
freeone3000 TXU manages to do similar stuff in similar conditions and no wildfires caused by power in texas. [02:19]
tang^ well, PG&E is kinda in a death spiral anyway... being sued for the damaged caused by wildfires last year caused by their crap equipment [02:21]
dreamreal Is there anyone in that region who can replace them if the company dies? [02:21]
freeone3000 what's killer is that Oncor (TXU Delivery) is actually a different subsidary of the same parent company that PG&E is a subsidiary of [02:26]
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sonOfRa What's the recommended device to buy these days for U2F? The google thingy? Yubikey? [02:46]
ron the google thingy lol [02:46]
ron google: let's produce U2F hardware to work with our own hardware [02:47]
ron also google: let's use USB-A port for the U2F hardware even though all our hardware uses usb-c [02:48]
ron (also, let's make sure there's a critical bugin the hardware and replace EVERYONE's) [02:48]
dreamreal that's what dongles are for [02:49]
dreamreal let's require dongles! [02:49]
ron but. it. is. a. dongle. [02:49]
dreamreal nothing wrong with requiring dongles for dongles! [02:49]
ron so much wrong. [02:49]
dreamreal haha, yes [02:49]
ron yubikey has a usb-c version. but not one with nfc support. because fuck y'all. [02:50]
fotato `require "dongle"` [02:51]
tang^ dongle dis [02:52]
fotato deez. [02:52]
ron netflix is really trying to convince me to use them more. [02:52]
fotato i mean they dont want you to forget they exist [02:53]
fotato otherwise you'll be like 'why am i paying' and cancel [02:53]
ron yeah... no. [02:54]
ron myy time now is spent on hulu. [02:55]
freeone3000 yeah their nfc one is only usb-b [02:58]
sonOfRa I mean I want it pretty much exclusively for actual computers, I don't really use my phone to log in anywhere [02:59]
sonOfRa So old USB is fine [02:59]
fotato ron: so... cancel netflix? [02:59]
ron hell no, my entire family is on the account [03:01]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: I use my phone to log into google [03:03]
tang^ I try to not log into google [03:04]
ron tang^: you have a yahoo email account?! [03:05]
tang^ i... hmm [03:05]
tang^ for Flickr, I think [03:05]
ron outlook.com?! [03:05]
tang^ yes [03:05]
sonOfRa freeone3000, well yes. Google, and Twitter. [03:05]
sonOfRa And it would make sense for the google account alone [03:06]
sonOfRa So maybe the yubikey USB+NFC thing [03:06]
freeone3000 They have a dongle for USB-A to USB-micro-B that comes with the USB+NFC key [03:10]
freeone3000 so, here's the rub. I have a USB 2.0-C phone with broken NFC [03:10]
freeone3000 and exactly zero dongles work on this, because all the USB C->A adapters assume USB 3.0-C so won't connect [03:10]
freeone3000 because that's y'know *sannnnneeee* [03:10]
freeone3000 have you ever looked at your fingers as you type? it's so *weird* [03:11]
sonOfRa they are so wriggly [03:12]
ron no u [03:12]
fotato that's one of those 'you ever become aware of your own clothes against your skin all at once' questions [03:15]
sonOfRa you are now breathing manually [03:16]
sonOfRa Also your tongue is uncomfortable in your mouth [03:16]
fotato found freeone3000 https://media3.giphy.com/media/VSluJfNVrUj0A/giphy.gif?cid=790b761151aa66f2ddc8c396da432233bccbf70553993f7c&rid=giphy.gif [03:17]
fotato fotato's title: "Animated GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY" [03:17]
ron ghostt! [03:18]
fotato ITYM GITS [03:19]
ron off I'm tired of dying [03:19]
ron oof* [03:20]
fotato me too, it's exhausting and takes so long [03:20]
ron TOD pricing is dumb [03:21]
fotato fuckin' Todd. [03:22]
ron ok, I'll go have some faux-ice cream and mayybe do laundry [03:26]
sonOfRa I wonder if Faux is going to let ron lick his ice cream [03:27]
fotato Faux ice cream? i dont think that'll taste very good. [03:27]
sonOfRa ;) [03:27]
fotato high fives. [03:27]
fotato yours is better. [03:27]
Faux blinks. [03:27]
ron somehow I don't think Faux would object to me licking him [03:27]
fotato i'll take you to the candy shop [03:28]
fotato i'll let you lick my lollipop [03:28]
ron i hate that song [03:28]
Faux Haha, I got that stuck in my head walking down the street the other day. [03:28]
fotato me too [03:28]
fotato it's fucking terrible. [03:28]
Faux It was not my standard fa..ire? Fayre? [03:28]
dreamreal what does a fox say? [03:28]
dreamreal there [03:28]
fotato fare. [03:28]
Faux Fare. [03:28]
fotato dreamreal: AUTISTIC SCREECHING. [03:28]
ron dreamreal: no, that song is stupid. the candy shop song is... sigh [03:29]
Faux You're writing a python script file and its output is going to consumed by a magic runner. How would you expect to interact with that? Print json to stdout? A function magically exists which you can run? The runner fucks around and you can yield or return? [03:29]
fotato a "Positivity and Personal Growth Advocate" just sent me a LI request. [03:29]
fotato Faux: grpc duh [03:30]
Faux grpc to where?! [03:30]
ron hell and back [03:30]
ron k, gonna do some likcing [03:30]
ron er [03:30]
ron yeah [03:30]
dreamreal heh [03:30]
tang^ too much drool to spell properly [03:30]
fotato the magic runner. [03:31]
fotato why not use sqs [03:31]
Faux The magic runabout. [03:31]
Faux fotato: "magic runner", as in, "you're an ini file", not "you're a message processing server". [03:32]
fotato that.... what. [03:34]
Faux NEVER MIND AS USUAL THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION [03:36]
fotato christ Faux you left out all the important bits. [03:37]
Faux Other people I polled understood. [03:37]
fotato obviously this was my fault. [03:37]
Faux Well, I wouldn't like to draw any conclusions from such a small sample set. [03:38]
fotato OH LOOK SARCASM THIS IS ORIGINAL [03:39]
Faux I wonder if either of us is okay. [03:39]
fotato of course i'm fucking not. [03:39]
fotato https://preview.redd.it/mv7ijtrhmjr31.jpg?auto=webp&s=a3c6a52b4181cf4fcc0302124616329a0ab85a6e [03:51]
freeone3000 tbf that's not really lifting more of a drag [03:53]
ron you're a drag [03:53]
tang^ true, however nobody else can even move Mjolnir [03:54]
freeone3000 what's a magic runner? [03:55]
sonOfRa Faux: should I upgrade to 19.10 or is everything going to explode if I do [03:56]
Faux I'm running it. It's in RC/FinalFreeze which means practically nothing is going to change. But, if you're not doing a fresh install (like I was), why not just wait a week? [03:57]
sonOfRa I dunno, I was just running an upgrade and saw that it was upgrading the ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk packages [03:58]
sonOfRa And was wondering if it was time to upgrade [03:58]
freeone3000 new version comes with sane cuda packages built in [03:59]
sonOfRa The nvidia card in this laptop is fucked on linux for some reason [03:59]
sonOfRa I had to disable hybrid mode because it would freeze my laptop with "GPU has fallen off the bus" after a few minutes [03:59]
freeone3000 optimus barely works in windows don't worry about it [03:59]
sonOfRa year of the linux desktop [04:00]
sonOfRa Apparently, it's not possible in bios to say "use nvidia-only" [04:00]
sonOfRa I get "hybrid mode" or "igpu" [04:00]
fotato how did apple do it [04:06]
fotato oh wait they dont use nvidia do they [04:06]
Faux They do it by having one configuration, and testing and fixing it, instead of an almost unbounded number of configurations and no ability to test or fix it. [04:09]
fotato yay [04:09]
fotato except most optimus implementations use a reference board, dont they? [04:09]
Faux "reference board" for what? My laptop has optimus/bumblebee, and I guarantee you there is nothing standard about it. [04:10]
fotato fairy muff [04:11]
Faux As in, it's all chinese soldering of everything on one mobo. [04:12]
ron one mofo [04:14]
freeone3000 there is no ref board for optimus [04:29]
freeone3000 it's only ever present on laptops, and every laptop motherboard is different. there's no reference interconnect since the CPUs are invariably U units and are soldered to the motherboard. [04:30]
fotato Yeah. I?m an idiot. [04:31]
fotato Still seems like the cpu/controller/gpu permutations shouldn?t be that many. [04:31]
fotato But I?m naive to this. I stopped paying attention to hardware long ago. [04:32]
freeone3000 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.03552.pdf page 2. just read the last three paragraphs of page 2. [04:35]
Faux \o/ I actually advocate this forking idea for some types of project. [04:38]
freeone3000 how do you feel about "only one file to ever modify, since all code is in one file"? [04:38]
Faux Not so much. But, y'know, also, Python's module system can eat a dick. [04:39]
Faux Trying to use RUSTPYTHON for my config file parser here but it adds ~4s to the test link time which I don't think I'm going to live with. [04:40]
fotato I still don?t really understand go modules. [05:49]
ron you're not very smart are you [05:53]
fotato I?m about as smart as you. [05:56]
ron well, I'm not smart at all [05:56]
fotato There you go. [05:56]
dreamreal they're just namespaces, yeah? [06:17]
fotato ... not really? [06:32]
fotato It?s also dependency management [06:32]
fotato It?s all a bit confusing. [06:32]
dreamreal Well, they're... modules, the dependency management comes from the modules being canonically named, or so I thought... but I'm hardly a go expert, so what do I know [06:42]
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