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Nick Message Date
db I guess it's common for laymen to mix up "strings containing only digits" with numbers. [12:01]
db and well, we even call those numbers in the non-strict sense, right.. "serial number".. [12:03]
db it's a number, but it's not a number. [12:03]
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sonOfRa morning [03:06]
scav morning [03:15]
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Faux Holy shit npm. [03:47]
Faux anoefahoftafr [03:47]
Faux This package has a fucking sleep in its postinstall script so you can see the advert. [03:47]
dodobrain what the fish [04:10]
dodobrain are you serious Faux ? [04:10]
dodobrain which package is this? [04:10]
scav custom errors in Go impossibru? [04:25]
scav I am not able to assert.NoError() with my custom error typer [04:25]
scav / [04:25]
Faux https://github.com/nodemailer/nodemailer/blob/8985bde8450c7c313d939aa039d469aaac9fede1/postinstall.js#L78-L87 [04:27]
Faux Faux's title: "nodemailer/postinstall.js at 8985bde8450c7c313d939aa039d469aaac9fede1 nodemailer/nodemailer GitHub" [04:27]
scav beautiful [04:29]
sonOfRa uh [04:30]
sonOfRa Oh that *does* do what I think it does [04:33]
sonOfRa jesus fucking christ the nodebois are at it again. [04:33]
sonOfRa haha, apparently mongo doesn't do proper sparse compound indices? [04:38]
sonOfRa As in, if you have a unique constraint over 2 fields, and one of them is optional, in sql databases {1, null} and another {1, null} are generally allowed to coexist [04:38]
sonOfRa Why are we using mongo for this again. [04:39]
dodobrain sonOfRa, because it is WebScale(tm) or whatever the new-fangled term that replaced it is [04:52]
Faux Cloud native / cloud ready. [04:53]
dodobrain i see, i've fallen behind times. i'm living under a large rock! [04:54]
scav why anyone would use anything but postgres is beyond me [04:56]
scav it does documents, it does actual text search, it does graphs, it does remote queries (to other stores), it does GIS. i fucking hate everyone [04:57]
scav WHY https://golang.org/doc/faq#nil_error [04:58]
scav scav's title: "Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - The Go Programming Language" [04:58]
scav "this situation cna be confusing.." oh no shit it can. [04:59]
scav such a simple language, yet it has an impressive amount of shit you need to handle if you want to do anything besides hello world [04:59]
Diablo-D3 go is a language designed by a committee of people who knew better =/ [05:25]
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dodobrain so they knew better but decided to present this semi-turd to everyone? [05:30]
dodobrain % turdness is not defined in my statement above.. some things are not bad [05:30]
scav i actually don't hink they knew better [05:30]
scav being good at C or Unix or what ever, does not make you great at language design [05:31]
Stummi hm, github has issues again [05:36]
Stummi they really degraded in the last 2-3 months, like barely a week without any incident since then. [05:37]
dodobrain when did they change the ui ? [05:38]
Stummi the public rollout was last week I think [05:39]
scav they are moving to Azure and everything will be better :))))))))) [05:46]
dodobrain surely, `put it on Azure` is the solution! [05:51]
scav yes! [05:56]
scav then we don't have to worry as much, because most of the time it is not going to be available anyway [05:56]
fovid-19 hosting migrations have always gone 100% smoothly [06:01]
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Diablo-D3 l. o. l. [06:35]
[twisti] we are upgrading to gitlab 13, and i sent out a mail asking all developers to double check that the new server has all their settings and stuff, since the upgrade path isnt as smooth as one would hope for us. just got a mail back 'i didnt really check my settings, i mostly care that the git repositories are okay'. well, gee, we never thought to check those, i mean, who would even want those ? [06:42]
dodobrain lawl [twisti] [06:46]
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Diablo-D3 [twisti]: who even uses mail anymore [06:52]
Diablo-D3 I want to live in a post mail world [06:52]
Diablo-D3 where we can just pubsub things [06:52]
Diablo-D3 gets shot out of a cannon into the sun [06:52]
fovid-19 Guaranteed that same dev will angrily message you to demand why all his web hooks are broken. [06:54]
dodobrain just reploy "you didnt really care about the settings. look on the bright side, we saved you repositories correctly!" [07:04]
dodobrain i hate this shitty corp provided css "styleguide" [07:05]
dodobrain farking crap has no doco and i'm wasting away tweaking shit and trying "random" classes [07:06]
dodobrain meh [07:06]
Diablo-D3 dodobrain: its why corps should never write css [07:25]
Diablo-D3 in fact [07:25]
Diablo-D3 Im not sure anyone shoudl write css [07:25]
Diablo-D3 it should be provided by the framework as your only choice [07:26]
Diablo-D3 do it fucking UE4 shader style [07:26]
Diablo-D3 you do what fucking tim sweeney says, and you pay him for being fucked in the ass without a reach around [07:26]
Diablo-D3 [ silence from the lack of ue4 triple A games is deafening ] [07:26]
dodobrain lawl [07:30]
Diablo-D3 <tim sweeney> HEY, ANYONE WANT UE5?! [07:31]
dodobrain also <tim sweeney> Y UE4 MAD BRO? [07:32]
dodobrain haha [07:32]
Diablo-D3 <tim sweeney> SO GABEN SUCKS, RIGHT? HERES A STORE [07:33]
Diablo-D3 also tim sweeney, has to give away free games that are almost entirely fucking broken [07:33]
Diablo-D3 not even for a real reason, 10 times the active users, anything that depends on online servers, just fucking gets pwned [07:34]
Diablo-D3 fucking death cannon shit, because now everyone thinks the game sucks and will never buy it [07:34]
Diablo-D3 like, civ6 was so fucking bad, there now might not be a 7 [07:34]
Diablo-D3 thanks tim sweeney [07:34]
sonOfRa Great, we've got a bunch of frontend and UX tasks to do, but our UX design people are still in 20% short work so never really reachable :( [07:41]
Diablo-D3 the only thing short about this is the bus they ride on [07:42]
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sonOfRa D https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1277518125936730112 [08:52]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Eliezer Yudkowsky on Twitter: "Missed opportunity: In Haskell, Either?s ?Left? and ?Right? could have been called ?Except? and ?Accept?"" [08:52]
acuzio morning ladies [08:55]
dodobrain morning acuzio [09:05]
acuzio dodobrain: [09:14]
dodobrain ? [09:15]
acuzio morning [09:15]
dodobrain ah theres about 45 mins to midnight, but yes its going to be morning soon [09:15]
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scav weather bergen norway [09:40]
scav Weather for Bergen, Norway | 64 F (17 C) | humidity at 48 | broken clouds | Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:40:18 +0200 [09:40]
scav Aaah, finally [09:40]
scav Summer is here, heat wave is over [09:40]
KekSi wooh [09:46]
KekSi still not done with TLOU2 btw [09:46]
KekSi 30.5h in.. got up yesterday around 10:30 and started playing, expecting it to be like 2-3 more hours to go.. went to bed at 11pm having not had a shower or any food [09:47]
scav hahaha i fucking love it, Linkedin puts Go under "Other skills", while Rust is put under "Tools & Technologies" :D [09:48]
Faux D [09:48]
Faux Maybe it thinks you mean the board game. [09:48]
scav https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/giQdzad3/image.png [09:49]
Faux Go lives with Fortran and Pascal. [09:49]
scav No, it popped up "Go (Programming Language)" as autocomplete as i searched [09:49]
scav You know what else is "Other skills"? Swing and Event Sourcing :D [09:49]
scav Fortran and Pascal are also "Other skills"? [09:50]
scav I love this, I am updating my CV right now. "Other skills". [09:50]
Diablo-D3 linkedin is the biggest scam ever lol [09:50]
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dodobrain haha 'other skills' [10:05]
dodobrain like 'i play Go when im not writing code' [10:05]
dodobrain p [10:05]
ron did you burn shit? [10:06]
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acuzio yeah [10:12]
ron was asking the dodo, dodo [10:15]
scav oh hi ron, still alive? [10:15]
ron yup. still job hunting. [10:16]
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dodobrain ron, nah.. it was raining over the weekend [10:23]
ron dodobrain: sad [10:23]
dodobrain and i was away most of the day on sunday [10:23]
dodobrain will prolly try this weekend [10:23]
dodobrain i might need to get up on the roof to check out the tiles [10:24]
dodobrain theres a couple of them that look like they might have cracks.. dont want rain getting inside the ceiling [10:24]
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dodobrain that would be messy and expensive to fix [10:24]
dodobrain ron, i thought you were doing swagger stuff.. or am i remembering the ron from ancient times? [10:25]
scav na, in australia you just wait for 2 hours and the heat will have made sure it's all dry againb [10:25]
ron dodobrain: I am [10:25]
dodobrain scav, not if its raining for hours together [10:26]
dodobrain by the time the outside gets dry.. the internal ceiling will prolly be wet. will start moulding if left as is [10:26]
dodobrain ron, nah i meant in terms of looking for work [10:26]
dodobrain was swagger work or just outside of work? [10:26]
ron dodobrain: I am [10:26]
scav dodobrain: i know, i was just making fun of the heat. because here it is sub 20 again, and i love it [10:27]
ron I manage Swagger these days, that's my job. [10:27]
Faux \o/ [10:27]
ron weather fort collins [10:27]
ron Weather for Fort Collins, CO, USA | 71 F (21 C) | humidity at 52 | clear sky | Mon, 29 Jun 2020 08:27:19 -0600 [10:27]
dodobrain sub20.. i went out driving in 13 today [10:27]
dodobrain was interesting [10:27]
dodobrain weather brisbane, australia [10:27]
dodobrain Weather for Brisbane QLD, Australia | 54 F (12 C) | humidity at 76 | light rain | Tue, 30 Jun 2020 00:27:56 +1000 [10:27]
dodobrain and im guessing you guys are still crazy about weights [10:32]
dodobrain i just started floor press for the first time in my life lol [10:33]
dodobrain 20 kg [10:33]
dodobrain haha [10:33]
fovid-19 i havent lifted since march :( [10:34]
dodobrain that still doesnt make me feel any better fovid-19 [10:35]
dodobrain D [10:35]
dodobrain i suppose i'll eventually get to bigger weights.. its gonna take a while though [10:35]
fovid-19 take it easy [10:35]
fovid-19 form > weight [10:35]
dodobrain yeah.. t was weird yesterday [10:36]
fovid-19 focus on rage of movement and flexibility. do not add weight until you've locked the movements in [10:36]
fovid-19 range* [10:36]
fovid-19 focus on your rage too tho [10:36]
dodobrain oh, i was worried about range.. some people online in yt videos and such saying that the overwhelming majority of bnchpress injuries are due to excessive range of motion [10:37]
fovid-19 well [10:37]
dodobrain i.e way beyond 90 deg on the down [10:37]
dodobrain so i thought i'll do floor press to be safe [10:37]
fovid-19 i'm talking about the more functional lifts [10:37]
dodobrain dont want to end my chest press career as soon as it starts [10:37]
ron RAGE OF MOTION [10:37]
fovid-19 squat/deadlift etc [10:37]
fovid-19 do milpress [10:38]
dodobrain whats milpress? [10:38]
dodobrain checks [10:38]
scav clients CI-server is down. sigh [10:38]
fovid-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yjwXTZQDDI [10:38]
fovid-19 fovid-19's title: "How To: Standing Straight-Bar Military / Overhead Press" [10:38]
ron I dropped a barbell on my chest the other day [10:38]
dodobrain oh ive seen videos of this guy [10:38]
dodobrain is he any good? [10:38]
fovid-19 no idea [10:38]
fovid-19 i mean [10:39]
fovid-19 look at him [10:39]
fovid-19 swoons [10:39]
scav dodobrain: most bench press injuries are due to bad form and not tucking the shoulders in under you correctly [10:39]
scav dodobrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthMCtgVtFw [10:39]
scav scav's title: "The Official Bench Press Check List (AVOID MISTAKES!)" [10:39]
scav if you should take advice from anyone on youtube, its this guy [10:41]
scav ron: did it hurt? [10:42]
dodobrain scav, the athleanx guy? i [10:43]
dodobrain ve bookmarked a lot of his videos and seen quite a few as well [10:43]
scav dodobrain: yeah [10:44]
scav can't wait to get back to the gym myself. 4-5 weeks and i can start using weights again, and eventually i can start going heavy again after more than a year of feather weights [10:45]
dodobrain shit i dont want to dro pa barball on my chest [10:46]
dodobrain will prolly break some ribs if i do that [10:46]
scav do you lift at home? [10:47]
scav i have never dropped it, but i have been working out alone without safety hooks and did end up with 120kg on my chest. it was painful as fuck, and i had clips on, so.... [10:48]
scav had to roll it over my chest and tummy :p [10:48]
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dodobrain wel, i just told you [10:51]
dodobrain i started yesterday.. 20kg [10:51]
dodobrain did some squats with the same weight since it was already assembled and i was lazy [10:52]
acuzio I could do with some proper exercise [10:53]
acuzio I have done nothing for the last 3 months i think [10:53]
scav dodobrain: no shame in that, you lift for you, not for me or anyone else [11:07]
scav once you lose track of that, you either get hurt or burnt out [11:08]
dodobrain oh i wanted to ask someone this.. might as well ask here since you guys have experience [11:10]
dodobrain should i be using a barbell or an ezcurl thingo that has bends and shit in it? [11:10]
dodobrain barbell is all i have [11:10]
ron scav: momentarily. passed fairly quickly, no bruising. [11:12]
ron dodobrain: barbell is fine for most things [11:12]
dodobrain ok cool. [11:13]
ron scav: wasn't too heavy, and I was relatively at the bottom of the press. [11:14]
scav ron: good to hear [11:14]
scav dodobrain: i personally use an ez-bar for curls and skull crushers [11:15]
scav for curls it is due to a wrist injury, i am not able to hold a barbell for curls [11:15]
scav but for scull crushers, you should absolutely have an ez [11:15]
ron yes, for both of those ez bar would be nicer [11:16]
ron or you can use dumbbells if you have those [11:16]
ron I think next time I'm gonna use wrist straps just in case. [11:18]
scav indeed, just make sure you do dumbbell curls correctly, meaning try to hold them as if you were using a barbell once you get them clear of your sides [11:19]
scav straps for benchpress? you are better off just making sure your grip is better, do you not lock the barbell wtih your wrist? [11:20]
ron my wrist is relatively week, and with the close grip bench it makes things harder [11:22]
scav oh [11:25]
acuzio ron:I know another exercise that might help you here [11:29]
ron acuzio: you are a retard [11:29]
acuzio What ron ? [11:30]
acuzio I am trying to help you here [11:30]
ron mhmm [11:30]
freeone3000 honestly the free weight stuff should help the wrist fine... maybe lighter weight, no straps might help there? I don't know if there's an underlying thing, but free weights have been huge for my "unfocused" groups as well [11:37]
freeone3000 says the guy doing all of his workouts with 10lb dumbbells because the gyms are all closed [11:38]
ron yes, the press was of a little more than 10lb. [11:41]
acuzio ron:I know another exercise that might help you here [11:57]
ron acuzio: k [11:57]
acuzio ask me what it is ? [11:58]
ron no, I'm good. [11:58]
acuzio are you sure i mean its a great exercise [12:03]
freeone3000 wanking is not an exercise thank you goodnight [12:04]
acuzio ron:I didnt say that - i dont know how freeone3000 got that idewa [12:06]
sonOfRa of course not. [12:08]
acuzio clearly [12:10]
dodobrain lawl [12:23]
freeone3000 Mouse has new feet! It glides so well! [01:01]
acuzio what? [01:01]
freeone3000 Old ones were like, a third the thickness of the new ones. [01:01]
freeone3000 Okay, so you know how your mouse has these little ablative contact pads on the bottom? [01:01]
acuzio yes [01:01]
sonOfRa those wear out [01:01]
sonOfRa *badly* [01:01]
acuzio WTF are you doing with your mouse ? [01:02]
freeone3000 movin' it around and stuff [01:02]
sonOfRa It's a lot worse if you have a hard surface mouse pad [01:02]
sonOfRa There's no visible wear on mine since I replaced mine + got a cloth pad [01:03]
acuzio I have never had that happen before [01:03]
freeone3000 yeah, I'm using the paired one. I replaced them after eight years but I feel like I should replace them after five starting now. [01:03]
acuzio I got a wired mouse after 10 years or so [01:05]
acuzio who from a here is in TX ? [01:06]
acuzio oh wow , so we now have the PoTUS sharing proper racist videos - [01:11]
acuzio Kayleigh is on TV , bare shoulders mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [01:28]
sonOfRa you know it'd be much more healthy if you just went to pornhub instead of fox news [01:29]
sonOfRa It's *always* porn so you don't have to switch it on and off [01:29]
sonOfRa And you don't get shitty infuriating political commentary [01:29]
acuzio sonOfRa:dude its not the same [01:37]
acuzio come on you know that [01:38]
acuzio And please , Fox is where all the "real" news happens [01:38]
freeone3000 https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2020/6/8/a605c491-dd51-40a6-b9ae-d52b597ec196-f31yi6o6ja351.jpg?w=710&h=429.6979166666667&auto=format%2Ccompress&cs=srgb&q=70&fit=max&crop=faces this real news? [01:38]
acuzio well yeah - i mean clearly thats the strategy [01:39]
acuzio Have you not heard ? [01:40]
acuzio (shes got tan lines on her shoulders) [01:40]
acuzio very hot [01:41]
acuzio right i am bored of her , this is where OAN fails , they need to get some white,blondes with tight skirts and tops [01:45]
acuzio reboot time [01:45]
sonOfRa I'm down for attacking and dethroning god [01:48]
sonOfRa Channel that pullmann spirit, literally go on a transdimensional crusade to kill god [01:48]
sonOfRa Looks like the replacement monitor is intact \o/ [01:53]
freeone3000 nice! did you go for a fancier one than I did? [01:53]
sonOfRa Now I just need a bigger desk and a *third* one [01:53]
sonOfRa Not sure, I got one of these last month, got a matching one but it was scratched. ASUS VG27BQ [01:54]
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freeone3000 oh yeah, much fancier than the one I got [01:55]
sonOfRa I'd get a third one now, but my 120cm desk doesn't lend itself to 3 27" displays [01:56]
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acuzio 2 * 27 is fine for me [01:56]
freeone3000 Triple monitor is so much better for programming at work [01:56]
freeone3000 That way you can keep your left monitor for comms and still have a dual-monitor setup [01:56]
acuzio I am too old for Triple monitors [01:56]
acuzio my neck is less flexible [01:56]
acuzio I move comms to the second monitor and thats it - ; BTW Kayleigh has just said that the coronavirus fatalities are coming down - she is clearly right [01:58]
sonOfRa If I do get a third one it's probably going to go in portrait mode? 2xlandscape and 1x portrait sounds fun [01:58]
sonOfRa But new desk might be on hold until we move into a bigger place, so that's still some ways off [01:59]
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acuzio I tried that sonOfRa and it was not easy really [02:00]
freeone3000 yeah, that's a common setup too, and still allows for the above. [02:00]
freeone3000 you really need to orient the portrait one as your non-main [02:00]
sonOfRa https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/1277655605281468422/photo/1 I wonder how much of that is post-processed coloring? [02:11]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "NASA Earth on Twitter: "NASA?s Terra satellite observed the same bloom from a wider perspective. https://t.co/CxgIxHqzBq"" [02:11]
sonOfRa Because holy shit that's gotta be a lot of algae [02:12]
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freeone3000 that's true color [02:14]
sonOfRa Pretty [02:15]
sonOfRa Crazy that the algae are spelling out ENGLISH CHANNEL in the english channel [02:19]
sonOfRa Really makes you think! [02:19]
freeone3000 Okay some of it's labelled :P [02:20]
freeone3000 but like the boat is an actual photo of an actual boat [02:20]
sonOfRa yeah [02:20]
sonOfRa Impressive what satellites can see, really. And this is like... the ones that they don't need for spying anymore? So the bad ones? [02:21]
freeone3000 when hubble was launched, they chose the lens size based on what was compatible with NRO spares [02:21]
freeone3000 so 20-year-old spy sats take hubble-quality photos of earth. [02:21]
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freeone3000 NPR is pinning the future of opening businesses in America on college students being prudent and responsible. [03:48]
freeone3000 Due to pandemic concerns, our new office grants a minimum of 10 square feet of space per employee! [03:51]
ricky_clarkson meanwhile Google abandons employees checking for tailgaters (search for 'google tailgator'[sic] for fun), so presumably we're now supposed to hold the door for everyone regardless of badge.. [03:54]
ricky_clarkson I'd have thought it better to say don't hold it for anyone regardless of badge, to maintain distance. [03:54]
sonOfRa Huh, how are you allowed to do that? Our PCI compliance thingy was like *super strict* that we *absolutely must* question the identity of anyone we don't know [03:55]
sonOfRa Surely google must do PCI compliance? [03:55]
ricky_clarkson (I'm not leaking, this is in the news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-google/google-sets-2025-leadership-diversity-goal-ends-tailgater-id-checks-idUSKBN23O3EA ) [03:55]
sonOfRa Or is google big enough to say fuck off we do our own policy, and we're big enough to handle card payments? [03:55]
ricky_clarkson I've never heard of PCI before but a quick check of the requirements shows nothing physical other than 'Physical access to cardholder data needs to be restricted.' [03:57]
ricky_clarkson Presumably as long as datacentres still have badge checks we're still following that. [03:57]
ricky_clarkson Cardholder data wouldn't be in normal offices. [03:57]
sonOfRa They told us that since someone in the offices could have *access* to cardholder data, cardholder data *is* in the offices. [03:58]
freeone3000 our policy is absolutely do not hold open doors [03:58]
freeone3000 visitors from redmond get really annoyed when we do for our coworkers just because we know their first and last names and have co-authored two papers with them [03:58]
ricky_clarkson Googlers don't have access to cardholder data (I'm being very general here and don't know individual projects' holes if there are any). [03:59]
freeone3000 Ah. That might be the difference. I know for a fact there are people with above-and-beyond clearances for individual projects in our office. [04:00]
freeone3000 But if the policy is universally applied, if you require a badge scan from *everyone*, it's not discriminatory based on race (any more than your hiring process already is)... so this is weird theatre. [04:01]
ricky_clarkson Agreed, and given covid I think that would make more sense. [04:02]
ricky_clarkson maybe it's a culture thing, of generally being open to everyone rather than closed to everyone. [04:02]
ricky_clarkson we can still contact security if we have doubts, and they would be better trained to not kick someone out based on skin colour. [04:03]
ricky_clarkson I always wondered if I got badge checked more often when speaking Spanish than English but never did the experiment and now it's too late. [04:03]
freeone3000 ...that actually seems like that would introduce more bias into the system [04:03]
freeone3000 like, any time you have discretionary enforcement, pre-existing biases are amplified [04:03]
freeone3000 it's not that they would get kicked out, necessarily - they'd show their badge and all will be fine - but looking at who security would get called on, I can already predict there's gonna be a skew towards no women, some men, mostly minorities. [04:04]
ricky_clarkson contractors often push big carts through doors, it feels like you're finally doing something for them when you hold a door [04:05]
freeone3000 one of our secretaries helps with that :) [04:05]
ricky_clarkson Likely it wouldn't be many people at all, people would only contact security if they're more sure there's a problem. [04:05]
ricky_clarkson so this presumably reduces the number of possibly-biased encounters [04:06]
freeone3000 (visitors get badges, vendors get escorts) [04:06]
freeone3000 It probably reduces the number of indicents but it's a flawed basis for a system. [04:07]
freeone3000 People calling security about suspicious activity is literally how we got here. [04:08]
ricky_clarkson Google security isn't armed :) [04:08]
ricky_clarkson no guns allowed on campus, some cyclist complained that they needed a gun in bay area traffic [04:09]
freeone3000 makes notes... [04:09]
sonOfRa Ugh why aren't scenes allowed to share names with sources in OBS [04:11]
Bombe Because Scenes are Sources, too! [04:29]
Bombe (And probably because it was coded by idiots.) [04:29]
sonOfRa haha, Parler (the newest "free speech" twitter) banned devin nunes' cow. I guess pretend-cows don't get free speech :D [04:36]
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sonOfRa Okay, streaming and recording at 1440p is actually quite taxing, even with nvenc when playing games that are already hard on the GPU [04:54]
scav Holy shit, Google is lowering security because of racial profiling? [05:00]
ron sonOfRa: stream to me bb [05:09]
ricky_clarkson scav: Physical security doesn't seem to be a massive thing at Google anyway, outside of where tons of tourists go. [05:14]
ricky_clarkson scav: If you get into an average office undetected there's not really that much you can do. [05:14]
scav ricky_clarkson: garbage bins? people talking? whiteboards with stuff on them? or in the worst case, if you are there to cause harm? [05:15]
ricky_clarkson again, I think datacentres are a different story. [05:15]
scav worked in media for some years, if anyone tails you there are a secret code for the door you can use that is not your normal code, punch it, door opens and security will be there in about a minute. [05:16]
scav but perhaps due to recent events, people are more afraid at news and media companies than google? [05:16]
ricky_clarkson scav: For actually secret projects we avoid talking around people we don't know anyway. [05:17]
scav fair enough [05:18]
ricky_clarkson and erase whiteboards, etc. For other things, it won't matter that much if you find out our design for connecting said backend to said DB [05:18]
ricky_clarkson I'm not saying it's right, but it's probably not as wrong as it sounds. [05:19]
scav nono, but if someone has written "integration post acquisition of company X" that is probably going to be an issue [05:19]
scav but i dunno, perhaps i have just been drilled weirdly from media companies and fear of terrorist attacks and as a lifelong consultant [05:19]
ricky_clarkson A friend of mine works in mergers and acquisitions, I can't access the floor he works on. [05:20]
ricky_clarkson That's a special case, probably others exist. [05:20]
scav oh, so there are different restriction, makes sense [05:20]
ricky_clarkson Google has had its issues, someone attacked the YT office last year or so. [05:21]
ricky_clarkson violating the no guns on campus rule. I tutted. [05:21]
ron but.. [05:29]
ron but.. [05:29]
ron MURICA! [05:29]
scav god i hate trying to create a design for my pet projects. i spend days getting nowhere :D [05:41]
ron then don't [05:43]
scav i wish you were my dad, i would have been a junkie by now [05:45]
Faux Film club tonight was Under Siege. What a film. [05:51]
sonOfRa Is that the one with steven seagull the cook [06:09]
scav i fucking love that move, how many Oscars did that net him? [06:12]
scav all i hope [06:12]
Faux Yes to both. [06:17]
sonOfRa It certainly is... a movie [06:20]
Faux Speed (1) on Thursday. [06:24]
freeone3000 ricky_clarkson, You could take all the good drinks out of the vending machine [07:10]
ricky_clarkson freeone3000: Is the theory there that a gunman recovers his health a bit each time he drinks something, like in Grand Theft Auto? [07:47]
ricky_clarkson Speaking of GTA while discussing Google, I'd love some LifeInvader merchandise for the office. [07:49]
ricky_clarkson ron: You implied that your name might be unusua. Is it interesting enough to mention here? [07:56]
ricky_clarkson +l [07:56]
ron ricky_clarkson: no, my name is Ron. Americans tend to think it's short for Ronald. My name is not American (or whatever origin Ronald is). [07:56]
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db suggestions for a good android phone? [10:14]
fovid-19 db: er. Pixel? OnePlus? [10:58]
db hmm well I don't actually need any bleeding edge features, let's say in the "reasonably priced" range? looking for non-obvious ideas, not "the latest and greatest" [11:04]
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freeone3000 OnePlus has gone off the expensive end. [11:49]
freeone3000 db, Nokia! [11:49]
freeone3000 db, An old phone on sale! [11:50]
db nokia does android phones? [11:51]
ron pixel 3a [11:51]
freeone3000 Yes. You buy them by the inch: https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_ca/android-phones [11:52]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Nokia phones with Android | Android 9 Pie | Nokia phones" [11:52]
ricky_clarkson I have a pixel 3xl, seems fine but I think it's harder to find new now. dumb notch is dumb [11:52]
db ok. [11:53]
freeone3000 Motorola also has a good series, as does TCL. [11:53]
freeone3000 Pixel 3a is going to be Generic Phone Here. [11:53]
freeone3000 I used one for two months and I can't remember anything about it. [11:53]
db that's good. I would remember things like about sony "crashed every other day" stuff like that. [11:54]
db that was really a sad story because I liked the compact phones.. what was it.. I had the ? Z3 compact ? and it was good - then I bought the ? Z5 compact ? - and it crashed almost every day. Turned out to be a known hardware problem which they never admitted and couldn't fix by update. forums are full of complaints. So I'll never buy a Sony again. sad. [11:58]
ricky_clarkson Some of those Nokia ones look ok for my careless 11yo. [11:58]
freeone3000 They're solid! They're cheap! (The 4.2 is $180) [11:59]
freeone3000 Unlike most phones in the sub-$200 bracket, they actually run Android 10 and have things like dual cameras and storage. You might have to keep around a USB mini-B charger for them, but they're what we use for test phones. [11:59]