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db hmm [12:00]
ricky_clarkson micro-USB is actually a plus, then I don't have to share type C chargers with the little shit [12:01]
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puppy_za morning [02:49]
Faux I had one of those nokias, can recommend. Charging port partially failed, but eh. [02:50]
acuzio morning ladies [03:22]
scav "Work with Go for a while, get to know the language better. you will understand why people lovet it". [03:51]
scav No, actually. what it does tell me is that most developers are not engineers and should not be allowed to work in this field [03:52]
scav I am not saying that if you pick Go for your project, that is fine, if you know why and the tradeoffs, but the people blindly pushing this shit? people like me are the ones who are going to spend the rest of their career maintaining this shit... [03:53]
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Faux I've gotta say, after ~15 years I learned why people prefer C over C++. [04:37]
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scav But google uses c++!!!!!! it must be superior [05:01]
Faux Sure hope our ORM handles { $eq: null } like the author of this code expected. [05:03]
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acuzio Ifucking hate this [06:27]
acuzio C >> C++ always [06:27]
acuzio We are being given interview guidelines and there is a "IQ and EQ" section ,., I am like this is fucking BS [06:28]
acuzio What EQ , he/she is a professional and they are paid for it [06:29]
scav That is not bs though [06:31]
sonOfRa Faux: I like the ad blocker. [06:32]
scav I would dare say IQ is probably more BS [06:32]
Faux Yeah, acuzio, what percentage of your job is coding instead of talking to people? And, if it's over 10%, are you hiring? [06:32]
scav mine is 0% coding, i copy paste Go most of the day. also wondering if you are hiring acuzio [06:33]
Faux sonOfRa: I've been shaking with rage for like three days. [06:33]
Faux basically #node. [06:33]
Faux Faux's title: "Chris West (Faux) on Twitter: "Today I wrote an adblocker for @npmjs."" [06:33]
scav there are ads in npm? [06:35]
sonOfRa A lot of packages have ads in their postinstall [06:35]
Faux They let people run arbitrary code during installation, and some cuntbags make it print coloured walls about products and hiring, and then put in sleeps so you get to look at the adverts. [06:35]
scav i want to say "wow really, i am surprised"... but [06:36]
sonOfRa Open Source was a mistake [06:36]
Faux I don't disagree with the adverts. [06:36]
sonOfRa Like, sure, put your fucking ads in, but sleep() ing in installs? [06:36]
Faux I do disagree with the sleep. [06:36]
scav i disagree with colour [06:36]
sonOfRa Every node package should do that [06:36]
sonOfRa Just sleep for 10 years on every install [06:36]
Faux Pretty much what happens when you use npm instead of yarn, but people still do it. [06:37]
sonOfRa haha you know what's next [06:40]
sonOfRa Critical code in postinstall [06:40]
Faux Anyway, the change I was trying to do has conflicted because there's too many versions of is-wsl installed. [06:40]
sonOfRa Adblocker-blocker in npm postinstall scripts [06:40]
Faux We have plenty of things with critical code in postinstall. If we didn't, I'd just run with --ignore-scripts. [06:41]
sonOfRa oh dear. [06:41]
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sonOfRa haha, state MP regarding the covid outbreak at meat packing plants: [08:03]
sonOfRa "We will now start enforcing the law" [08:03]
sonOfRa Uh [08:03]
sonOfRa Is that what it takes to not let meat packing plants illegally exploit workers? A literal pandemic infecting 20% of a plant? [08:04]
scav Generally all laws are not constantly being enforced. I don't think any state has the resources to constantly enforce all laws... [08:16]
sonOfRa That's the... generous interpretation [08:17]
scav Besides, workers are supposed to be exploited, how do you maintain that capitalism is an efficient and effective system without slavery? [08:17]
sonOfRa The not so generous interpretation is that the head of that company is a big time CDU donor and they turned a blind eye because he paid them off. [08:17]
sonOfRa And now they have to extract to save face [08:17]
scav Hey, at least the major stock holders probably made money, capitalism 1 , socialism 0. [08:17]
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scav talking about stocks, look at this flush that just occurred to one of my primary positions [08:49]
scav [08:49]
sonOfRa F [08:52]
sonOfRa Should invest in wirecard [08:52]
sonOfRa Their stock is up 400% ever since they filed for bankruptcy [08:52]
scav haha, i don't doubt that for a second [09:19]
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freeone3000 Fire alarm testing day. The absolute least fun thing possible. [10:01]
freeone3000 light and noise and constant interruption [10:03]
ron wfh [10:04]
freeone3000 uh, yes, that's what I'm doing. they're testing the fire alarms in the condos. [10:05]
freeone3000 They are, of course, linked, such that one going off sets off every alarm in the building. They only need about seven seconds, confirm they receive it at the master panel, then shut it off. There are 20 floors, and 20 apartments for floor. [10:09]
ron Cirque du Soleil filed for bankruptcy :( [10:16]
ron freeone3000: oh yeah, went through that, that's a waste of a day [10:16]
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waz freeone3000 I was working in LA and 27 stories up. Fire alarm test day meant you had to evacuate when the alarm went off. The elevators shutdown and you had to use the stairs. The fire marshall was on hand and if y ou didn't check in at the designated point for your floor outside of the building you got fined. [10:35]
waz I worked from the hotel that day [10:35]
scav wtf is Cirque du Soleil, ron? [10:35]
waz very creative/fun 'circus' [10:36]
scav bummer [10:36]
fovid-19 waz: huh, we just get briefed on what to do. and we dont have to do a full evac - 3 floors up to 2 floors down + wait for further instructions [10:36]
waz scav [10:36]
waz waz's title: "Discover Our Current Shows | Cirque du Soleil" [10:36]
waz their shows are quite good [10:36]
fovid-19 we *do* have quarterly optional full evac drills to see what it's like walking down ~46 storeys' worth of stairs [10:36]
waz fovid-19 california fun :) [10:37]
scav don't they get bailed out? or is it just banks? [10:37]
fovid-19 to be fair i think 4wtc is built to be somewhat.... resilient. [10:37]
fovid-19 the fire code for supertall structures in NY is quite strict. [10:38]
acuzio Faux:we are hiring [10:49]
acuzio I loved the guy ; he is fucking way too expensive for us but he is clearly one of the top in his field , got overruled by the VP-Sales though [10:50]
acuzio Cause the guy we hire would be making close to what the VP-Sales is making and that basically put the hee jeebies into him [10:50]
acuzio I fucking hate people who go "How can we do out of band salaries like that?" I am like : The guy is the best in the field what the fuck do you expect ? [10:52]
acuzio OK, one of the best in the field [10:53]
freeone3000 We do that by making more bands. Ain't that hard. [10:58]
freeone3000 numbers are infinite. [10:58]
ron scav: it's a Canadian company so no [11:01]
freeone3000 it's canadian? huh, didn't know that [11:06]
ron weather fort collins [11:31]
ron Weather for Fort Collins, CO, USA | 63 F (17 C) | humidity at 45 | broken clouds | Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:31:03 -0600 [11:31]
ron oh no the clouds are broken [11:31]
scav weather bergen norway [11:36]
scav Weather for Bergen, Norway | 62 F (16 C) | humidity at 59 | scattered clouds | Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:36:55 +0200 [11:36]
scav perfect temperature! [11:37]
Diablo-D3 acuzio: yeah, this is why executives should be executed, tbh [11:41]
Diablo-D3 if you dont make the company do the verb, then your salary should be zero. [11:41]
Diablo-D3 you have no value as a human being, jump off the top of the headquarters please. [11:41]
Diablo-D3 if I can get the top dude in my field, and he *only* asks what I make if I was said VP, that'd be a fucking bargain [11:42]
ron no, 16C is not 'perfect temperature' [11:42]
Diablo-D3 I'd get to do nothing all day, have a nice fancy office, and pretend Im that guy's boss [11:42]
fovid-19 what is acclimation [11:43]
Diablo-D3 16c is at the lower end of human comfort, generally [11:43]
Faux Probably acclimiation in US english. [11:43]
fovid-19 it's probably acclimiatization [11:44]
Diablo-D3 isnt that the act of acclimating? [11:45]
Diablo-D3 and Im american, I spell it acclimate [11:45]
Diablo-D3 suspect this might suffer from regional differences [11:45]
sonOfRa >8 minute "important audio message from the ceo" via email [11:46]
sonOfRa ruh roh [11:46]
Diablo-D3 y'all fired [11:46]
fovid-19 we'll be here in ~10 mins, once you've listened and stopped crying. [11:46]
sonOfRa Oh well that's not as bad as expected. Slight further pay cuts (they're going to be raising net incomes regardless of short work to 90% rather than 95% as it was before). CEO taking 50% cut, execs taking 25% [11:55]
sonOfRa And then we'll hope that gets the company through the year [11:55]
fovid-19 they restored salaries for everyone earning <150k on jul 1 here. [11:56]
fovid-19 that's ~70% of the company [11:57]
fovid-19 Faux "christ" in 3.... 2.... [11:57]
sonOfRa What field are you in again? Ads? I guess people are gonna advertise stuff again [11:57]
sonOfRa Live entertainment... not so much [11:57]
fovid-19 yeah adtech [11:57]
Faux I do wonder what my colleagues are paid. [11:59]
Faux I think I'm paid a lot but then I talk to acuzio. [11:59]
freeone3000 you can ask them [11:59]
sonOfRa hell I think *I'M* paid a lot [12:00]
freeone3000 I think *I'm* paid a lot [12:00]
fovid-19 yeah but you are [12:00]
Faux Yeah, but you are. [12:01]
fovid-19 yeah but are you? [12:01]
Faux Well, I spoke to some communists and I hinted what I thought affordable meant, and they responded with "eat the rich" and some pitchforks, so I guess I am. [12:03]
fovid-19 dont they do that if you're eating anything other than canned beans and living in a dustbin with working plumbing? [12:08]
Diablo-D3 hah [12:08]
Diablo-D3 I love how people say eat the rich is being misquoted [12:08]
Diablo-D3 and then you go look at the original quote, no, no, its really being quoted exactly as intended [12:08]
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freeone3000 Yay! I won a card in the GPU raffle! [12:12]
fovid-19 eat the rich [12:13]
fovid-19 what is it? [12:13]
ron freeone3000: can I have it [12:13]
fovid-19 apparently our principal engineer is sending me a $400 bottle of whisky because he made a stupid bet with me and i agreed because i knew he was wrong. [12:13]
ron maybe you should be principal engineer [12:14]
freeone3000 I'm now the proud owner of a Maxwell Titan X. [12:15]
sonOfRa Neat [12:15]
freeone3000 It is SLIGHTLY better than my 980Ti, so I'm going to slot it in still, but I was really hoping for one of the Pascal Titans. [12:15]
fovid-19 that seems like a great way to heat your room while you game [12:15]
sonOfRa gotta get *all* the frames [12:16]
sonOfRa Run the game at 200fps on your 60hz display [12:16]
fovid-19 f r a m e p a c i n g [12:16]
fovid-19 sonOfRa do you like the black angels [12:17]
sonOfRa Haven't heard anything by them [12:17]
fovid-19 is probably their most well known song [12:17]
fovid-19 fovid-19's title: "Young Men Dead - song by The Black Angels | Spotify" [12:17]
freeone3000 some of the *boring* people are installing them on their workstations [12:18]
sonOfRa alright, gonna queue that for later when the neighbor's kids are done screaming [12:18]
freeone3000 so they have a Titan V and also a Titan X and also a Quadro 4000. [12:19]
fovid-19 .... why [12:19]
freeone3000 The Titan V is used for compute, and the Quadro 4000 runs the displays. [12:19]
freeone3000 Ah, sorry, not Vs, Titan RTXes. [12:21]
freeone3000 And for additional compute, I assume? It also lets them train distributed models locally. [12:21]
fovid-19 sonOfRa: yeah it's fun retro stoner rock [12:23]
fovid-19 i like 'manipulation' too. that whole album is p good. [12:23]
freeone3000 Okay okay so our D&I committee just had a meeting on how to better share the diversity and inclusion work. One person asked a question as to what work the committee actually does. Turns out they don't have any tasks. [01:00]
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Maldivia they hold meetings, of course [01:18]
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ron sigh [01:52]
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tang^ chuckles [02:21]
tang^ thanks ron [02:21]
ron ) [02:22]
sonOfRa Are Warhammer Orks just really event driven and actually want more AKKA, rather than DAKKA? [02:22]
tang^ HAH [02:23]
tang^ I was watching Chronicles of Riddick the other day and thinking how much the Necromongers remind me of Warhammer [02:24]
sonOfRa That sure was a movie. [02:25]
ron now it's not? [02:29]
ricky_clarkson freeone3000: I've seen something similar with a 'tech debt' group. [02:36]
Faux My task is to chip away at the worst bits before anyone notices how bad they are. [02:42]
scav Thank you for your sacrifice, Faux [02:45]
Faux What the fuck, Google Cloud Dongsole won't give you your backups? [02:46]
ricky_clarkson I've attended (fsvo attended) 3 or 4 tech debt discussions and they haven't gotten past defining and measuring. [02:56]
Faux Yeah, the trick is to round off any outliers so anything that managers would want to measure don't look very good from today onwards. [02:57]
Faux Or you can take the Gotham City approach and do the opposite. [02:58]
ricky_clarkson whut? [02:58]
Faux Go out of your way to make sure that any service which crosses a certain point is so bad that it gets burned to the ground. [02:58]
ricky_clarkson On the Impossibility of Discerning Whether "// TODO blah" is Healthy Or Unhealthy Tech Debt [02:59]
ricky_clarkson I see. [02:59]
whaley /TODO should be banned [03:02]
whaley //TODO also [03:02]
Faux We, like, don't have an issue tracker. So TODOs are a real thing. [03:03]
whaley disgusting [03:03]
Faux Like when you are doing a rollout, and need to have both codepaths live at a time, people go through and mark all the dodgy forks in the codepaths with TODOs. [03:04]
freeone3000 so do you guys deploy smalltalk or erlang? [03:12]
waz I use // TODO a lot [03:24]
waz because my ide flags them, they are notes for things todo before pushing my code [03:24]
whaley that's fine. It's when they litter the committed code with no actual process to action them. E.g. it's just someone not-well-formed task list sitting their in production code [03:26]
whaley *there [03:26]
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Samian hi [03:39]
Samian I'm trying to test this screen sharing software. can someone try going to [03:39]
Samian supposedly you can view my desktop from tha tlink [03:39]
tang^ nope [03:39]
Samian come on! [03:40]
Samian tang^ why must you be so uncoorperative [03:40]
freeone3000 Works. [03:40]
Samian woohoo [03:40]
Diablo-D3 haha freeone3000 has been infected by some sort of virus [03:40]
Samian I'm training a neural network [03:41]
Samian it's for counting french fries [03:41]
Diablo-D3 *muffled* hwat fwench fies? [03:42]
tang^ well, Québec is rather french [03:42]
ron merde [03:42]
Samian Diablo-D3 yup [03:42]
Samian Diablo-D3 you can see the training on my computer right now actually [03:44]
Samian in the link [03:45]
Samian it's visually mesmerizing [03:45]
ron not fishy at all. [03:45]
sonOfRa ron: you're not fishy at all. [04:05]
tang^ must have taken a shower recently [04:15]
ron yesterday!!! [04:44]
ricky_clarkson On the TODOs subject, we generally include a link to an issue in the TODO line. [04:46]
sonOfRa :D [05:06]
sonOfRa Good twitter account [05:06]
ron the only good twitter account is a dead twittter account [05:39]
scav except Trumps, because it is hilarious [05:57]
ricky_clarkson but actually harmful so it should be dead too [06:13]
scav i am looking at this the way the US has looked at foreign politics for a century. not my problem unless it starts affecting me [06:18]
ricky_clarkson you're not in Trump's current chosen bad minority [06:25]
ricky_clarkson at least Hitler was consistent so you knew where he stood [06:26]
ron umm [06:26]
ron very poor comparison [06:26]
scav what the fuck [06:27]
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