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sonOfRa Oh this is going to be fun [03:37]
sonOfRa From "we only need exact match search" for artist names to "we're going to need fuzzy search in cyrillic, hebrew and latin, with cross-matching" [03:38]
Maldivia good luck :D [03:39]
sonOfRa Like, not even with trigram search is this going to be possible [03:42]
sonOfRa Not to mention that most artist names are probably to short to be efficiently trigram indexed [03:49]
Maldivia sonOfRa: so, if I enter Julia, it needs to know that could potentially mean a Russian artist ??? ? [04:00]
sonOfRa They were unclear. Maybe? [04:00]
sonOfRa I think they mostly meant actual translits? [04:00]
sonOfRa (I think they didn't actually mean anything and were just saying words they heard at some point) [04:01]
Maldivia well, ? = yu, ? = L, ? = ya [04:02]
sonOfRa oh right one letter can be multiple [04:02]
sonOfRa haha [04:02]
sonOfRa This is never going to work [04:02]
Maldivia ask for a full spec :D [04:04]
Maldivia And Julia is apparently this in Hebrew: ?'???? [04:05]
Maldivia (6 glyphs) [04:05]
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[twisti] it seems like thats probably a problem someone else already tackled [04:14]
Maldivia one problem down, only 165 more to go :D [04:16]
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sonOfRa Maldivia: it gets really fun when you get artist names that... aren't just letters [04:38]
sonOfRa Pink, for example, is actually P1nk [04:38]
sonOfRa or P!nk? [04:38]
Maldivia good luck with the Artist formerly known as Prince :D [04:38]
sonOfRa I'm just guessing, but I think he won't be doing any live events anytime soon [04:39]
Maldivia [symbol] tribute band ? :D [04:40]
sonOfRa ( [04:40]
Maldivia sonOfRa: or simply for every artist have a list or "alternative spellings" that you match against [04:42]
sonOfRa That was our initial suggestion, but fuzzy matching against an entire list like that will be slow [04:43]
sonOfRa And they don't want to maintain that list [04:43]
sonOfRa "hire a student for data entry" I guess? [04:43]
Maldivia AI! [04:44]
Maldivia ) [04:44]
Maldivia have the system train itself -- see what people search for, and register what they click on, and associate that keyword with that artist [04:44]
Maldivia or, if you don't find any matches, make a google query, and try to search the DB again with "Did you mean" :) [04:46]
sonOfRa D We did consider buying a musicbrainz subscription, but they're not particularly fuzzy, I think [04:46]
acuzio morning ladies [04:46]
sonOfRa :D [06:11]
sonOfRa Islands in lakes on islands in lakes on islands [06:11]
Faux You're an island. [06:12]
sonOfRa Sure have become a big mass since corona [07:09]
sonOfRa Not really surrounded by water though [07:09]
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[twisti] does beer count ? [08:07]
Maldivia sonOfRa: I see your Recursive islands and lakes, and raise you a recursive timezones: [08:12]
db I think you don't know what "recursive" means [08:41]
db the word you were looking for is "nested" [08:42]
Diablo-D3 I was expecting that one part of illinois [09:03]
Diablo-D3 Maldivia: friend of mine told me about that, he lives in CO [09:03]
Diablo-D3 basically, AZ needs to figure out its shit [09:04]
Diablo-D3 something to do with the navajo wanting a cohesive timezone across their nationstatewhatever [09:05]
Diablo-D3 and synchronizing with the nearest major metro which is on the east side in mountain time [09:05]
Diablo-D3 but the spot thats in the middle is a county that uses AZ's time instead because of white man interests [09:06]
Diablo-D3 and worse, the map is inaccurate, it should be painted with hazard bars to say both [09:06]
Diablo-D3 what time it is depends purely on who you're talking to [09:06]
Diablo-D3 and this is why time zones are fucking bad. [09:07]
Diablo-D3 so, that git thing I was trying? [09:14]
Diablo-D3 I think I got what I want [09:14]
Diablo-D3 and then I no longer have to commit to update, but Im also free to update irrespective of the commits [09:14]
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Diablo-D3 so git pull --recurse-submodules will pull on the submodules too [09:47]
Diablo-D3 and since I have branch set, it *should* drag it forwards [09:47]
Diablo-D3 thats a fucking horrible way of doing this blargh [10:02]
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Diablo-D3 it seems some people do use subtree for this, so lets try that [11:08]
Diablo-D3 else Im going to use subrepo next [11:08]
ron blog [11:14]
ron Diablo-D3, this channel is not your personal blog. Take it back to your tumblr, where your ideas will be read by thousands of hungry followers. The next revolution will be led by YOU! Just like the last one. [11:14]
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freeone3000 Moved into my new place. I have a dedicated office! [11:25]
sonOfRa congrats! [11:25]
ron freeone3000: awesome, congrats [11:25]
acuzio well done freeone3000 [11:39]
acuzio Now all you need is a dog and a wife [11:39]
acuzio (in that order) [11:39]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: neat [11:39]
freeone3000 No, leaning cat on this one. [11:43]
acuzio who is leaning cat ? [11:43]
freeone3000 I am. [11:45]
ron cats are evil but sure [11:47]
freeone3000 oh, you say that as if dogs are nonjudgmental beings of pure joy [11:48]
ron pretty much, yes [11:49]
acuzio I am with ron [11:49]
ron freeone3000: now look what you did [11:50]
acuzio you know i love you ron [11:51]
ron no [11:52]
acuzio SO let me tell you - i love you ron [11:52]
ron no [11:54]
Diablo-D3 "no" -- ron, 2020 [12:17]
freeone3000 okay wifi ac sucks ass, any suggestions for ethernet cabling/stairs intersections that don't end up with a cable in the middle of a walkway? [12:33]
freeone3000 maybe if I run it along the roof... [12:33]
Diablo-D3 buy better wifi ac? [12:33]
freeone3000 It only comes in one variety, I'm getting 340Mbps which is about... what you'd expect. [12:34]
freeone3000 whereas if I go to the trouble of running cabling, my speeds will triple. [12:36]
Diablo-D3 I mean like, go buy a unifi nanohd [12:37]
freeone3000 No that's boring [12:44]
freeone3000 Ooh, HomePNA exists... [12:44]
Diablo-D3 thats basically dead [12:46]
freeone3000 could run a VDSL network... [12:47]
Diablo-D3 homepna died, merged with homegrid, homegrid died and became [12:47]
freeone3000 (there's a phone jack in every room, which I could just use and have it save on wiring) [12:47]
freeone3000 ah, max speed 100Mbps, it'd be slower than wifi [12:47]
Diablo-D3 and then went fucking nowhere because no one wants this over phone line, they want it over coax [12:48]
Diablo-D3 and even though can also do over coax, that died because MoCA won [12:48]
Diablo-D3 and MoCA aint great, even if you have brand new mimo 2gbit adapters on both sides [12:48]
freeone3000 I mean, *specifically me* wants this over phone line, because people put phone lines in this house back when the phone was a brand new invention [12:49]
Diablo-D3 replace the drops with cat6e instead? [12:49]
Diablo-D3 *6a [12:49]
freeone3000 It'd save me on some drilling but I'd still have to do all of the regular work. But yeah, that's under advisement. [12:50]
Diablo-D3 because generally phone lines done before the early 80s are so goddamned fucking awful that nothing works [12:50]
Diablo-D3 it wont even pass slow dsl [12:50]
freeone3000 so wiring from the 30s is straight out [12:50]
Diablo-D3 oh yeah, straight out [12:50]
freeone3000 okay I also have coax. for some reason. [12:50]
Diablo-D3 if it was literally brand new construction, it could already be cat5 or higher with only two pairs wired in for phone [12:51]
freeone3000 but I have no idea what the jacks are hooked up to there. [12:51]
Diablo-D3 if its old coax, still could be too god awful [12:51]
Diablo-D3 but most certainly better off [12:51]
freeone3000 coax is new, same coax I get the internet through [12:51]
Diablo-D3 ahh in THAT case [12:51]
freeone3000 actually it probably is literally the same coax. [12:51]
Diablo-D3 your modem probably has moca gateway [12:51]
Diablo-D3 so you just need to acquire a moca adapter and pair it and see if it works [12:51]
Diablo-D3 like works, not necessarily fast, just works [12:52]
freeone3000 bingo! thanks! [12:52]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Résolu : Adaptateur Moca - Internet via le coaxial - La Communauté Vidéotron - 20301" [12:52]
Diablo-D3 there is a severe lack of english on that page [12:52]
freeone3000 English is illegal. [12:53]
freeone3000 Takeaways: On one series of modems, there's a moca adapter integrated, and I should be able to plug in the adapter and it should just work [12:53]
Diablo-D3 yeah, almost everything cable modem has it [12:54]
Diablo-D3 you know how cable TV is dead and its all IPTV? [12:54]
freeone3000 okay so that annoys me, because DOCSIS3 is IP-over-MPEG anyway [12:54]
freeone3000 so it's MPEG-over-IP-over-MPEG [12:54]
Diablo-D3 thats how the STBs work now, depending on how the house works, either they use the existing cable drop and use MoCA, or they use wifi [12:54]
Diablo-D3 no, docsis is natively IP [12:54]
Diablo-D3 3 is anyways [12:54]
Diablo-D3 it doesnt use the old docsis1/2 downstream fuckery anymore [12:55]
Diablo-D3 docsis3 out of the box cannot share the line with old school cable TV [12:55]
Diablo-D3 it still uses "channels" in the same way, but theres nothing wrong with that, its literally how all transmission specs work, ie, wifi, LTE [12:56]
Diablo-D3 but yeah like, [12:56]
Diablo-D3 Diablo-D3's title: " Actiontec MoCA 2.5 Network Adapter for Ethernet Over Coax (1 Pack) ? 1 Gbps Ethernet, Coax to Ethernet Adapter, Enhanced Streaming and Gaming (Model: ECB6250S02): Computers & Accessories" [12:57]
Diablo-D3 thats one of the only moca 2.5 adapters on the market [12:57]
Diablo-D3 it *should* get at least your wifi speeds [12:57]
Diablo-D3 you just need 2 of them to guarantee it and not use your modem's gateway [12:57]
freeone3000 nope, the Hitron CDA-RES I'm issued does *not* do MOCA. [12:57]
Diablo-D3 ouch [12:58]
Diablo-D3 thats ghetto =/ [12:58]
Diablo-D3 wtf does 8x4 yet doesnt have moca [12:58]
freeone3000 too smol [12:58]
Diablo-D3 THROWS SHIT [12:58]
Diablo-D3 but yeah, like, I went through this in my apartment [12:59]
Diablo-D3 I cant run lines, cause apartment, and everything is on the wrong wall [12:59]
Diablo-D3 moca would work, but would still kinda suck [12:59]
Diablo-D3 it'd never beat my wifi [12:59]
Diablo-D3 so if I want to *truly* have performance, I'd buy a matched set of nanoHDs and run them on their own channel as an ethernet bridge [12:59]
Diablo-D3 instead I just put the cable modem upstairs where all the wired ethernet shit is, and ran a coax over a doorway and around a corner =/ [01:00]
ron is Diablo-D3 actually surial? [01:00]
freeone3000 I dunno, he's weirdly competent here [01:01]
ron so is surial? [01:01]
Diablo-D3 heh, tbf, Im saying ubnt is competent [01:01]
Diablo-D3 160mhz wave 3 4x4 plugged into each other goes brrrrrrrrr [01:01]
Diablo-D3 *wave 2 [01:01]
Diablo-D3 you could very well get actual observed gigabit speeds in ridiculously shitty houses [01:02]
Diablo-D3 just dont put anything else on that channel, go use your existing AP for normal slow wifi [01:02]
freeone3000 yeah, this isn't for a wifi drop, this is for wired-only. one device, maybe a switch if I get fancy. [01:02]
Diablo-D3 yeah, I seriously considered a pair of nanoHDs [01:02]
freeone3000 honestly that looks cheaper and easier, even if I do end up with a split network [01:03]
Diablo-D3 but its like, $3xx for a pair vs a 50 foot coax I already had [01:03]
freeone3000 but I'm not sure it'll actually end up with an improvement [01:03]
Diablo-D3 no one can know [01:03]
Diablo-D3 a matched moca 2.5 pair COULD get you it if the coax is new and the installer wasnt a moron [01:04]
Diablo-D3 but thats $110 each [01:04]
Diablo-D3 160mhz wave 2 4x4 COULD get you it... if your house doesnt eat 5ghz like it was nothing [01:04]
Diablo-D3 100 meters of shielded cat6a pretty much cant fail to work here. [01:05]
Diablo-D3 hell, it might get working 10gbit [01:05]
Diablo-D3 guess whats cheapest, but also the biggest pita? HMM [01:05]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: and its not even a real split network btw [01:08]
Diablo-D3 it'd just be like having one of those APs that have two 5ghz radios [01:08]
Diablo-D3 instead its just two APs [01:08]
Diablo-D3 some of the gamer super expensive retardo routers do that [01:08]
Diablo-D3 so you put your little brother's trash youtube consumer on one, your elite pcmr battlestation on another (because, apparently, gamers dont use ethernet) [01:09]
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acuzio ron:dude i was about to ask the same thing ? is Diablo-D3 sur1al ? [01:36]
freeone3000 Alright, have a HDMI connector failure on my previously-main monitor. Time to go monitor shopping. Again. [01:36]
acuzio Holy fuck , The Demon Doctor is getting so much airplay [01:37]
acuzio its fucking insane [01:37]
acuzio This is a person who says "Endometriosis is caused by Women having sexual dreams about demons" and she is getting airplay [01:38]
acuzio WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA [01:38]
freeone3000 Gonna buy two dece monitors because I still don't like the splitting behavior of windows on an ultrawide. [01:39]
acuzio Buy one of the Gaming Monitors [01:39]
freeone3000 I actually legit am. [01:43]
acuzio you legit should [01:43]
acuzio hey ron [01:51]
freeone3000 Or I could get the Acer Pbmiiqphuzx. [01:54]
freeone3000 It's such a dumb name. [01:56]
freeone3000 Order placed for 2x of the 27GL850-B. [02:08]
acuzio 144Mhz [02:14]
acuzio nice [02:14]
acuzio s/Mhz/hz/g [02:14]
Faux TIL git clean's -e flag; `git clean -ndx -e .idea/` [02:14]
acuzio - HDMI x 2 [02:15]
acuzio - DisplayPort 1.4 x 1 [02:15]
acuzio - USB 3.0 x 3 [02:15]
acuzio nice [02:15]
acuzio I have never quite understood why HDMI is fucking more popular than DP [02:15]
Faux 'cos TVs and modern HDMI has no real disadvantages. [02:16]
Diablo-D3 acuzio: because its more common? [02:22]
Diablo-D3 its literally "I was here first"ism [02:22]
freeone3000 Faux, HDCP. Cables are physically backwards-compatible but not data-rate-backwards-compatible. No chaining. [02:23]
Diablo-D3 whats mildly unfortunate is the line protocol of DP is not compatible with DVI/HDMI [02:23]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: no [02:24]
freeone3000 Dude I have a DP cable with HDMI on the other end, the converter box fits into the flangy endcap thing. [02:24]
Diablo-D3 dvi was defined as a forwards and backwards compatible protocol [02:24]
Diablo-D3 both sides just have to enumerate what they can do [02:24]
Diablo-D3 so yes, its data rate backwards compatible, future PHYs must also support old speeds [02:24]
freeone3000 HDMI 2.0 cables literally don't have the bandwidth to carry a HDMI 3.0 signal. [02:24]
freeone3000 DP doesn't have this issue, DP1.0 cables can carry DP1.2 speeds. [02:25]
Diablo-D3 sure, but neither do poorly performing 1.3/1.4 cables [02:25]
Diablo-D3 ahhhhh *about that* [02:25]
Diablo-D3 no, I have come across DP cables that are not stable at HBR3 [02:25]
Diablo-D3 as long as you dont need a pixel clock that requires HBR3, its a non-issue, obviously the rest of the DP features granted by later DP versions work [02:26]
Diablo-D3 HDMI cables are only, ultimately, specced for two usages [02:26]
Diablo-D3 their maximum pixel clock, and if the ARC/Ethernet wires are wired [02:26]
Diablo-D3 they dont really conform to any "version" other than HDMI specs define new max pixel clocks [02:27]
Diablo-D3 in DP, they basically made it worse as DP *also* defines specific speed rates that *arent* required to implement for that version [02:27]
Diablo-D3 it makes MST actually fucking worse, because your MST impl must support the highest speed of any connected monitors [02:28]
Diablo-D3 in DVI/HDMI, there is no such thing [02:28]
Diablo-D3 and HDMI also eliminated bonded links, so the fuckery that was DVI-DL is dead [02:29]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: so yeah, if you're arguing HDMI is somehow worse because, uh, cables [02:29]
Diablo-D3 no, that ship sailed [02:29]
Diablo-D3 and re: converter cables [02:30]
Diablo-D3 yeah, you can obviously do that [02:30]
freeone3000 You also only sometimes get variable refresh over HDMI. [02:31]
Diablo-D3 you can only get it sometimes over DP too [02:31]
Diablo-D3 both sides have to negotiate support for that feature, it is not a mandatory implement in any version in any spec [02:31]
Diablo-D3 hdmi added vrr, anything that implements vrr has it [02:31]
Diablo-D3 dp added, and did not start with, vesa adpative sync, and again, if both sides implement it, they have it [02:31]
freeone3000 unless one end is nvidia [02:31]
Diablo-D3 nvidia supports hdmi vrr under the gsync program [02:32]
Diablo-D3 they're waiting on hdmi committee fuckery, the same reason amd is, for official vrr on gcn/rdna [02:32]
Diablo-D3 the transceivers they've been shipping for a decade are clearly capable of the signaling required [02:32]
Diablo-D3 in fact, its entirely possible as early as fermi can do it... nvidia will just never enable it in anything that old [02:33]
Diablo-D3 also, both protocols allow non-standard extensions [02:34]
Diablo-D3 gsync as the OG variant of it could have always been implemented over HDMI [02:34]
Diablo-D3 they just never did, and never could get the TV manufs to bite [02:34]
Diablo-D3 it took the success of amd's (now non-compliant) impl of vesa variable sync on hdmi in the xbone to get the TV side of the industry to bite on both variable sync and 120hz [02:35]
Diablo-D3 (actually sucks on that too, freesync is quite literally just amd's impl of vesa's protocol.... yet the hdmi committee version of it is incompatible some fucking how) [02:35]
Diablo-D3 *and* because of apparently politics issues, amd cant get xbone certified for vrr either, and it most obviously fucking supports it [02:36]
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Diablo-D3 and apparently microsoft has been pissy that xbone doesnt have vrr yet, they wanted that out before xsx launch [02:37]
acuzio wtf [02:42]
acuzio Diablo-D3:Are you surial ? [02:43]
Diablo-D3 Im like surial, but better [02:43]
freeone3000 I have zero firsthand knowledge of this, but I love the "merge linkedin and tiktok" energy [02:44]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Charles Gasparino on Twitter: "CONFIRMED; sources say @Microsoft in talks to buy"" [02:44]
Diablo-D3 hahah I was about to post this [02:44]
Faux Wife is looking for "native" translations for some corona phrases for some posters for her school; any language is cool. We've collected many easy European languages (fr,de,es,it, etc.), but absolutely no middle- or far-eastern languages, if anyone speaks any well enough, please! [02:49]
ron only european languages? how rude [02:53]
Faux We have European languages, we want non-European. [02:55]
ron you said you don't have middle or far eastern languages [02:56]
ron I can probably get you a translation to czech, slovak and polish if you're focused on european languages.. [02:56]
ron oh and greek [02:57]
ron possibly bulgarian [02:57]
ron and russian [02:57]
Faux That's an extensive list. We have those first three Euro languages. Bulgarian would be good, if you can! [02:58]
ron possibly ukrainian [02:58]
Faux Greek too, assuming you're not going to ask one of the channel cuties. [02:59]
ron I can reach out to some folks I know in Bulgaria, but it'll be better if you can remind me Monday morning. (late friday night is meh) [02:59]
ron no, my previous boss is greek (like realy greek, not faux greek ahem) [03:00]
ron ok, asked him [03:01]
ron any specific languages you _are_ looking for? [03:01]
acuzio yes - Estonian [03:04]
ron Maldivia can help with Estonian, and Danish? [03:05]
acuzio holy.. really ? [03:05]
acuzio wait - [03:05]
ron Faux: seriously, if you can give a list of languages you need, it'll be easier. [03:06]
ron also, do you need translation to american english? [03:07]
ron D [03:07]
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acuzio ron:i am going to sleep now [03:09]
ron acuzio: I'm going to continue not caring [03:09]
acuzio I am tired and drunk , dont miss me :-) [03:09]
acuzio you know i love you [03:09]
ron don't care [03:10]
Faux ron: Let me see what comes in first. :) Wife has asked a load of people. [03:14]
ron Faux: sounds good. surprisingly I know people from quite a few places. [03:15]
ron Faux: greek - [03:16]
Faux Yay, thanks! [03:45]
freeone3000 Meetings involving profanity filters involve two phases - the phase in which we all pretend that we need to circumlocate around what we're actually filtering for fear of offending sensibilities, and fuck fuck shit damn fuck. [04:09]
Diablo-D3 [04:40]
Faux Is it insensitive to use words like "purgatory" instead of "blacklist"? [05:01]
ron hmm [05:02]
ron I don't think it's quite equivalent in intent though. [05:02]
Faux It's more like a shitlist or a dead-letter queue. [05:03]
Faux Or expected-fail for tests? [05:03]
Faux Test purgatory. [05:03]
ron meh [05:03]
ron purgatory feels to me like a waiting station [05:03]
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ron I like shitlist though [05:04]
ron z-list? [05:05]
ron fuckedoverlist [05:05]
ron idontthinksolist [05:06]
ron nopelist [05:06]
ron also [05:07]
ron the health system in the us is fucked up [05:07]
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Bombe The US has a health system? [05:51]
MikeBux Bombe, well you might call it that way [05:53]
Bombe I don?t think I will, thank you. [05:54]
MikeBux i wont either because it is a fucked up system [05:56]
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