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Samian is this scene real or animated? [01:06]
Samian Samian's title: "The One and Only Ivan | Official Trailer | Disney+ - YouTube" [01:06]
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scav I rewrote some code from Rust go Go last night, and I really get the appeal from a "i spun this up in less than 30 min without any prior knowledge". Apparently, mutability and concurrency is hard and its weird that a language so obsessed with it is not immutable :D [03:13]
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sonOfRa Piggy D-day! [04:57]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Marcel Dirsus on Twitter: "Meanwhile at the Baltic Sea in Germany"" [04:57]
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scav i see you guys still fear beting attacked from the sea, sonOfRa [07:18]
sonOfRa That's why you bring huge shovels to the beach [07:18]
sonOfRa So you can slap the invaders silly [07:19]
scav D [07:19]
db wow crowded [07:25]
deepy I love confluence [07:52]
deepy there's a security group named .service [07:53]
deepy I have no idea what it is and confluence won't let me search for .service [07:53]
deepy it'll happily find every instance of the word service though [07:53]
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sonOfRa Any good cooling solutions for MBPs? [08:12]
sonOfRa Ever since it's so fucking hot, it's termal throttling even more, and really getting noticeably slow [08:12]
fovid-19 I use mine on a laptop stand with an external monitor most of the time. [08:15]
deepy sonOfRa: one of those really thin ones? [08:15]
deepy I usually put frozen food below it, but that only works when I need to thaw something for dinner [08:15]
sonOfRa Laptop stand could help I guess, but that's gonna be tough to fit on my desk [08:15]
fovid-19 The stand is like. One of those iCurve ones - lots of air can get all up in it. [08:15]
fovid-19 Alternatively buy a fan. Point it at laptop. [08:16]
sonOfRa considering something like this [08:18]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Thermaltake CLN0029 Notebook-Kühlpad Aluminium, Noir: Computer & Zubehör" [08:18]
Faux The laptop is perfect as it is. Just stop using it wrong. [08:28]
fovid-19 I always assumed those were overpriced tat [08:29]
fovid-19 80 eur for that? [08:29]
fovid-19 buy a house with AC. problem solved. [08:29]
Faux Small batch artisan machined aluminium. [08:29]
fovid-19 Craft deez [08:30]
Faux It doesn't even say machined aircraft grade aluminium, nor that it has fluid bearing brushless fans, why would you buy it??? [08:31]
fovid-19 Bear deez. [08:33]
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sonOfRa no you can't just turn the laptop into a jet engine at the slightest load [08:42]
sonOfRa macbook fans go WHRRRRRRRRRRR [08:42]
db you're supposed to wear your noise cancelling airpods while using this peace of quality hardware. [08:50]
db *piece [08:50]
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fovid-19 macOS would have corrected that. [09:08]
fovid-19 Probably. [09:08]
freeone3000 Man, quebec is now allowing for security deposits. This sucks. [09:12]
db what does that even mean? [09:13]
freeone3000 So in order to rent an apartment, if you've previously been evicted, you might have to put down up to 20% of your first months rent, to be held in trust until you move out. [09:15]
freeone3000 For people who can't find a co-signer to waive this, this'll definitely make it harder to rent. [09:16]
db 20%? where I used to live, two full months of rent were customary [09:17]
db maybe you meant to say 200%? [09:19]
freeone3000 No? 20%. [09:19]
db so you rent an apartment for say 2500, you have to deposit 500? and that's a problem?! [09:20]
db I don't get it [09:20]
Bombe In Germany it?s usually 3 months. [09:20]
freeone3000 It's $500 more than was required a week ago! [09:20]
db yeah right? [09:20]
db well where will you get all the money, freeone3000 [09:21]
freeone3000 CORPIQ is attempting to do an end-run around the regie du logemient by saying it's a 'free association' which is nonsense. [09:21]
Bombe No alternative, sell your body. [09:21]
db Bombe: that's what I was thinking [09:21]
Bombe Right? It?s the only way. [09:22]
freeone3000 "well you don't HAVE to do a security deposit, you could just not rent the property" fuck y'all that's the entire point of tenant protections [09:22]
freeone3000 killer bit is that it's held in trust and they can't reclaim it *ever*, you'll always get all of it back even if you owe back rent and get evicted, so it's just driving up the cost of new leases [09:23]
Bombe That does sound weird. [09:23]
Bombe Here the deposit will be used to cover anything that might have to be done after you moved out (if caused by you). [09:24]
freeone3000 oh. average damage to the property here is expected to be covered in rent. [09:24]
Bombe And you get interest for your deposit. [09:24]
db srsly I got it back in full every single time i Germany, Switzerland and Thailand [09:25]
Bombe Hmm, I once didn?t but that was when I stopped paying rent and simply moved out one night. :) [09:25]
db ok. [09:25]
fovid-19 Lol at 20% security deposit. [09:27]
fovid-19 NYC requires whole month. I had to pay three months. [09:28]
fovid-19 And yes. Expected wear and tear is never a reason to deduct from the deposits. [09:28]
ron morning [09:34]
fovid-19 Oh shit [09:35]
db föck? [09:37]
scav i love this guy [09:54]
scav scav's title: "Grow With Jo || Did She Burn 1000 Calories Doing 20 Minutes of HIIT??? || Jo Just Doesn't Know!!!" [09:54]
ron scav: he loves you too [10:15]
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scav you think so? :D [10:32]
freeone3000 mm. beautiful. [10:33]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Cloud Computing Services | Microsoft Azure" [10:33]
freeone3000 Infiniband. For when PCI-e is just too slow. [10:33]
db [10:48]
db for the devs. [10:48]
freeone3000 no! that's how my company got into this mess! [10:48]
db no. that was "where do you want to go today?" [10:49]
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Diablo-D3 badly saludes [11:03]
Diablo-D3 AYE AYE CAPI-TAN [11:03]
puppy_za yeah, where do you want to go today? [11:08]
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tang^ Microsoft needs to consolidate OOM and Teams status [11:11]
tang^ err, OOO status [11:11]
Diablo-D3 OOO? [11:12]
Diablo-D3 "peter, those are cheerios" [11:12]
tang^ one chat "$person is out of office and may not respond" another chat "$person has set a message: I'm out of the office" [11:12]
tang^ out of office [11:12]
Diablo-D3 man, I live in 2020 [11:13]
Diablo-D3 what the fuck is an office [11:13]
tang^ it's a room in my house dedicated to $work [11:14]
Diablo-D3 yeah [11:14]
Diablo-D3 its the computer room [11:14]
Diablo-D3 its where the computer(s) live [11:14]
tang^ I have computers all over the house [11:15]
Diablo-D3 along with a lot of empty computer boxes, random computer parts, two usb chargers, each with more ports total than you have devices, in the entire house, to charge [11:15]
tang^ only two of them in my _office_ [11:15]
tang^ err, three [11:15]
Diablo-D3 I have a laptop that is like a cat, it lives nowhere, but sort of exists everywhere in the house at the same time [11:15]
Diablo-D3 and I dont count my chromecast as a computer [11:15]
tang^ and yet it is [11:16]
Diablo-D3 its a fisher price toy. [11:16]
Diablo-D3 also, re: usb charger, I wasnt kidding [11:16]
tang^ oh yeah, that probably counts, too [11:16]
Diablo-D3 new phone, old phone, chromecast, home mini, another home mini [11:16]
tang^ and the digital tuner [11:16]
Diablo-D3 and headset [11:16]
Diablo-D3 I have a charger that can fit all at the same time [11:16]
Diablo-D3 yet I have a 5 port charger, a 3 fast + 3 slow charger, a 2 port PD charger (yet no PD devices), and the oneplus turbo charger [11:17]
Bombe But does it blend? [11:17]
tang^ I don't have a blender so I couldn't say [11:17]
freeone3000 "$user has a status message set and may be out of office: she/her" [11:17]
Diablo-D3 keeps acquiring anker shit when its on sale [11:17]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: AHHHHH [11:18]
tang^ freeone3000: hah [11:18]
freeone3000 Both Outlook and Teams draw their initial OOF status from your calendar, which is shared, so a reliable way to currently be busy is to schedule a meeting with yourself. [11:19]
Diablo-D3 thats gold, jerry, gold! [11:19]
freeone3000 We have an internal tool which attempts to schedule three-hour blocks daily using this mechanism, so that people can get work done. [11:19]
tang^ I just put appointments in with a busy status [11:19]
freeone3000 Yep, that's the same thing. [11:19]
tang^ like, lunch. every day [11:19]
tang^ I had a recent issue... I set my teams status to "I'm away" [11:23]
tang^ could not figure out how to set OOO message from Outlook for iOS [11:23]
Diablo-D3 in other news [11:24]
tang^ colleague sent "hey, teams says your out, outlook doesn't. which is it?" [11:24]
Diablo-D3 apparently rust is dead [11:24]
Diablo-D3 mozilla fired the rust team [11:24]
tang^ an open source project died? [11:25]
tang^ weird [11:25]
Diablo-D3 yeah, didnt you hear? if you pay developers to work on foss, and you stop paying them, they stop working on it [11:25]
Diablo-D3 google figured that gem out years ago [11:25]
Diablo-D3 [11:26]
Diablo-D3 Diablo-D3's title: "Till Schneidereit on Twitter: "Much of the team I used to manage was part of the Mozilla layoffs on Tuesday. That team was Mozilla's Rust team, and Mozilla's Wasmtime team. I thought I'd know how to talk about it by now, but I don't. It's..." [11:26]
Diablo-D3 ( [11:26]
tang^ there's 3000 contributors on the rust project [11:26]
Diablo-D3 are they willing to fork it, rename it to avoid mozilla org from trademark suing them, and then continue the gargantuan effort it is to float a new language? [11:27]
ron tang^: did you mean RUST? [11:28]
freeone3000 Mozilla laid off their Rust contributors, their Servo contributors, and their MDN contributors. [11:28]
tang^ ron: no, that would be Faux [11:28]
freeone3000 There were also layoffs on the security team and the browser team, in order to focus on their core product, the Mozilla VPN. [11:28]
freeone3000 I wish I was joking but that's where we are. That's what 2020 is. [11:29]
Diablo-D3 except they dont have a vpn, never will have a vpn, and the vpn isnt happening. [11:29]
Diablo-D3 so they just fired everyone to work on something that isnt happening. [11:29]
Diablo-D3 good _fucking_ job, morons [11:29]
ron I it's already available... [11:29]
Diablo-D3 stop trying to make it a thing, its not, nor ever will be, a thing [11:30]
ron I mean, it is. [11:30]
Diablo-D3 ron, there are words coming out of your mouth, why is that still continuing? [11:31]
ron for the same reason... [11:31]
tang^ preconceived notions are solidified in that one [11:35]
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NewToThisV21 I am sorting out this issue with data being inserted into a database. Lead wants business to be able to upload the same file multiple times and update the production DB with this data. I ask if she's ever had business upload the same file before? She says no. I start testing, and it's all over the place with what gets updated. I feel like there should be a better way. Such as building out a front end with validation. [11:57]
db weird. I feel like I just read that somewhere [11:57]
NewToThisV21 Is it a bad idea to have business be able to just randomly upload files and change production db? [11:57]
NewToThisV21 Yeah I posted in the wrong channel so I moved here [11:57]
tang^ no [11:57]
tang^ business should be able to update their data [11:58]
tang^ your job would be to make sure when the data is uploaded more than once, no duplicates occur [11:58]
tang^ unless they want duplication [11:58]
NewToThisV21 I see, I see! That makes sense, thank you. [11:59]
ricky_clarkson There were already core Rust devs not working for Mozilla, so this shouldn't be a big deal. Expect to see some job posts opening up to attract those people. [01:08]
Faux If it limits new platforms, that's good (old man yells at cloud). [01:18]
Faux Although maybe not if it stops the kernel twats from adopting it. [01:18]
Faux The llvm versioning cost is my biggest worry. [01:18]
Diablo-D3 Faux: oh? [01:19]
freeone3000 support from kernel twats is pretty much irrespective of any changes now; the language is locked down, they just have to make sure it works in stripped mode without syscalls [01:47]
freeone3000 I hope the lwm folks get it before we do [01:47]
freeone3000 new windows phone losers [01:59]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Panos Panay on Twitter: "Every single detail in this video shows you how @Surface Duo comes to life. Proud of the team for what they created to share with you. Check it out."" [01:59]
freeone3000 (you can tell it's a microsoft product because when they thought of a cool app duo to show off, as a fun thing, their minds went straight to teams+outlook.) [02:02]
ricky_clarkson At least it's a video and not a .ppt [02:04]
Diablo-D3 the duo looks cool [02:04]
Diablo-D3 I gotta admit it [02:04]
freeone3000 I promise you. There's a powerpoint. [02:04]
ricky_clarkson They showed Spotify and One Note together. Not actually knowing what One Note is, it makes me think of Spotify playing One Note Samba. [02:05]
ricky_clarkson One Note, 400 bloody chords [02:06]
freeone3000 it's the note-taking app. quite nice, actually. [02:06]
freeone3000 like evernote but syncs to onedrive so as long as you have less than 5 gigabytes of notes, it's free. [02:06]
freeone3000 uhm you might have to pay for office at some point, I'm actually not super aware of pricing of microsoft products [02:07]
tang^ I remember early one note with HP's tablet [02:07]
ricky_clarkson I use Google Keep. My only gripe is if I'm presenting and show a note I end up showing other notes in the background. [02:07]
freeone3000 tang^, It's blessedly unchanged. [02:07]
ricky_clarkson e.g., shopping lists, kids' account passwords [02:07]
tang^ you pay for Office365. get the apps as part of the deal [02:07]
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freeone3000 also like thinking of spotify as a foreground app is kind of weird on its own? [02:09]
tang^ no kidding [02:09]
tang^ sure, I'll take notes in One Note, but I'd probably have a web browser, not my media player [02:09]
ricky_clarkson I wonder if you can prop the hinge open to make it reasonable to type on one screen while looking at the other [02:10]
ricky_clarkson like a really stupid laptop [02:11]
tang^ thinking OWC should change their statement to "due to stupidity by the US government, your USPS shipped package may take much longer to reach you" [02:13]
freeone3000 ricky_clarkson, Yes you can do this. [02:14]
freeone3000 Also: re:"really stupid laptop": [02:16]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Microsoft Surface Neo: News, Price, Release Date, Specs, and More | Digital Trends" [02:16]
tang^ Alberta apparently removed coal mining restrictions in the Rocky Mountains [02:27]
tang^ Coal? Are you serious? [02:27]
freeone3000 oil demand is down, gotta get those miners back to work! [02:27]
tang^ we already get enough flack for the oil sands [02:28]
freeone3000 I mean, if it wasn't for taking natural resources and shipping them to the US, what's even the point of Alberta? [02:28]
puppy_za we should just all go nuclear and abandon those filthy oil [02:28]
freeone3000 puppy_za, Uh. That's the thing. Canada mostly *did*. [02:28]
tang^ and spend research dollars on fusion [02:28]
puppy_za use fission until we get fusion [02:28]
freeone3000 Generation is supermajority hydro (>80% nationwide, 97% in Quebec), fission nuclear (~10%) with a few nat gas emergency stations. [02:29]
tang^ yeah. we were once a leader in providing nuclear fission plants [02:29]
puppy_za I suppose Canada's oil is sold to the US [02:29]
tang^ yup [02:29]
freeone3000 It's not even 97% hydro 3% gas in quebec - it's 97% hydro 3% *nuclear*. Our backup is *wind*. [02:29]
puppy_za fascinating [02:29]
tang^ Alberta has natural gas, hydro, and wind [02:30]
tang^ not sure if we have any actual coal generators [02:30]
freeone3000 but america does [02:30]
puppy_za it's probably for export [02:30]
tang^ and hydro is limited to the rocky mountains so it's pretty small scale [02:30]
puppy_za but even america is burning less coal [02:30]
tang^ as they should be [02:31]
ricky_clarkson freeone3000: For typing on a touchscreen, I wonder if people have investigated using the device's vibration to tell you when you're on the edge of two keys. [02:31]
tang^ I'm old enough that I can remember a time when we heated our houses with coal [02:31]
ricky_clarkson directional vibration could even tell you which side of the key you're hitting, assuming devices have more than one. [02:32]
puppy_za it's not THAT long ago :p [02:32]
freeone3000 ricky_clarkson, This is actually implemented as 'haptic feedback' on swiftkey and google keyboard on most current phones. [02:32]
tang^ yeah, but my kids have never known that [02:32]
freeone3000 Apple's is a bit better, but oneplus and samsung have decent implementations. [02:32]
ricky_clarkson I've never noticed that, interesting. [02:32]
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freeone3000 Try it on an iPhone X. It's really noticable on the home button, which is a button when the device is on, but is *nothing* when the device is off. [02:33]
tang^ grandparent's place. big stove in the kitchen, smaller heater stoves in the other two rooms. coal when I was little, then switched to wood. all replaced with natural gas stove and furnace after I'd stopped going there regularly [02:34]
tang^ plus a separate shack with its own wood stove for canning and cooking in the summer without cooking the house [02:35]
ricky_clarkson In theory it's enabled on my Pixel 3 but I can't tell a difference when I'm on the edge of a key vs the centre. [02:35]
freeone3000 in case nobody had their fill of quebec trivia yet: montreal has recently made it illegal to burn wood within the city limits, with limited exceptions issued for cooking. [02:35]
tang^ I should see if any one of those stoves are still available [02:35]
ricky_clarkson I'll fiddle with the wife's iPhone later and see if it's any better [02:35]
ricky_clarkson not a euphemism [02:36]
tang^ freeone3000: so, no fireplaces allowed? [02:36]
freeone3000 tang^, No fireplaces! [02:36]
tang^ wife just moved into a place in Calgary that has a wood fireplace in the kitchen [02:36]
freeone3000 The house I'm in has an electric stand in. It's... a thing, to be sure. [02:36]
puppy_za well, fireplace is more for sentimental values [02:36]
puppy_za obviously you will need stable power supply to afford not having it :p [02:37]
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tang^ inlaws ran natural gas into their fireplace [02:38]
freeone3000 puppy_za, Well, in winter, HydroQuebec takes power outages *very seriously* to residences. [02:38]
tang^ I've seen some of the ones they've had to work through [02:39]
freeone3000 All of our heat is electric. Very few buildings even have a gas hookup still. I have one to the building, but it's shut off for safety reasons - nothing in the house uses it. [02:40]
tang^ Québec, Winter, and Ice Storms are all related in my head [02:40]
tang^ Alberta still has plenty of natural gas [02:40]
puppy_za I remember a visit to friends in the country side in winter. I fell asleep on a sofa by the fireplace [02:41]
tang^ nice [02:42]
puppy_za it's a future I admire [02:46]
puppy_za you forgot Hockey :p [02:47]
puppy_za I would add Celine Dion but maybe that's just me [02:47]
puppy_za (to Quebec) [02:48]
tang^ I'm still eyeing up places in the foothills as a retirement spot [02:48]
tang^ disconnect for good [02:48]
puppy_za the civilisation will find you :p [02:48]
tang^ with luck, not until I'm gone [02:49]
puppy_za I mean, we have wifi and 4G in Africa [02:49]
tang^ oh sure. probably keep a cell phone for emergencies [02:49]
puppy_za I went to a Burning-man style camping thing. There was only cellphone reception once or twice a day, in certain direction. [02:50]
tang^ but you can choose to not use the technology [02:51]
puppy_za true [02:51]
puppy_za being almost forced to abandon it, does put it in perspective. [02:51]
tang^ I think I'd want to position myself so that I have to walk several hours to the nearest town just to get a signal [02:51]
puppy_za how will you cope for medical emergency? :p [02:52]
tang^ dogs and a sled or wagon [02:52]
puppy_za I don't know. Dogs start eating the owner after like 48 hours :p [02:53]
tang^ or maybe a moose [02:53]
tang^ well, if I'm dead, I'd want them well fed [02:53]
tang^ but then it isn't an emergency [02:53]
puppy_za maybe smoke signal will do [02:53]
puppy_za if only people still use it [02:54]
tang^ radio for emergency (I said cell earlier) [02:54]
puppy_za ok that sounds more reasonable [02:54]
puppy_za try to clear out a helipad in your backyard [02:54]
tang^ I'll be in the clearing at these GPS coords [02:55]
tang^ thxkbai [02:55]
tang^ actually, even close to Calgary, camps have signs saying to call $emergnum and give the GPS coords [02:56]
tang^ they'll send a STARS heli [02:56]
puppy_za I assume the medical insurance will pay for it [02:57]
tang^ yeah [02:57]
puppy_za it's pretty pricy in here [02:57]
puppy_za I hope that my medical aid covers it :p [02:57]
freeone3000 lucky. here we get slapped with a $80 charge for using an ambulance. [02:57]
puppy_za that's cheap [02:57]
puppy_za I mean, still a fee but it's cheap [02:58]
freeone3000 well, it's the most expensive part of a hospital stay [02:58]
puppy_za not unreasonable, from my perspective [02:58]
puppy_za I think it's 3x that in South Africa, and that doesn't include any medication and procedure in the ambulance [02:59]
puppy_za I am getting old so I start to look into all the medical expenses [03:00]
freeone3000 ...yeah, that $80 is a flat charge, and covers the transit, all treatment is always covered. [03:01]
puppy_za that's the sign of a developed country [03:02]
tang^ Canada ftw [03:03]
puppy_za ok I gotta go and have some food. Cheers. [03:06]
NewToThisV21 Is it better to have more columns to store your data in one spot, or querying multiple tables? So creating 100 columns versus querying four tables? [03:30]
ron yyes [03:38]
ron no [03:39]
ron mzybe [03:39]
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NewToThisV21 What would make one better than the other? [03:40]
k5_ NewToThisV21: keeping data that belongs together in a table and using separate tables for separate concepts improves readability. Depending on the actual structure of the data it can remove redundancy. [03:51]
k5_ NewToThisV21: it might introduce slightly more complex queries. [03:52]
NewToThisV21 My team is adding more tables to store all relevant data to try and reduce the complexity of queries. Since right now a lot of our select queries are like 3 paragraphs long [03:52]
NewToThisV21 I wish I had a better understanding of DB architecture to know if it is a good/bad idea [03:53]
k5_ The scentific consensus i am aware of is: you try to keep your database normalized and split into separate tables, until you have an actual problem (confirmed by actual measurements) [03:57]
k5_ It highly depends on you database size, your performance requirements, access patterns aso [03:58]
fovid-19 Yeet. My new work computer setup is set up. [04:03]
fovid-19 Finally, more monitor space. [04:03]
ron MOAR monitorr space [04:10]
tang^ three paragraph sql queries? pfft [04:20]
ron only? [04:22]
Faux Yeah, get a worse orm. [04:23]
Diablo-D3 [04:43]
Diablo-D3 Diablo-D3's title: "Nineteen Eighty-Fortnite" [04:43]
Diablo-D3 oooohh boooooooyyyyyyyyy [04:44]
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Diablo-D3 popcorn: [04:44]
ron who cares [04:54]
ricky_clarkson I'm using type annotations in Python for the first time ever, and they're finding fucked up code. [05:06]
ricky_clarkson unrelated, I'm working with a non-engineer who doesn't seem to realise that X happening in production means that X can happen. "that can't happen because of the change we made in Y". I'm finding communicating without being condescending difficult. </vent> [05:18]
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Maldivia Diablo-D3: -- so what happened first, the suit or Apple kicking fortnite from App Store? [06:45]
Maldivia Maldivia's title: "Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store - The Verge" [06:45]
Maldivia ah ok, Apple removing was first, and then this came after -- seems like they had it ready though :D [06:46]
Diablo-D3 [07:09]
Diablo-D3 Diablo-D3's title: "Fortnite for Android has also been kicked off the Google Play Store - The Verge" [07:09]
Diablo-D3 Maldivia: okay so [07:09]
Diablo-D3 they push the epic microtransaction payment platform to the mobile versions [07:09]
Diablo-D3 before this, they draft the paperwork for suing, and make the "lets not make 2020 1984" ad [07:10]
Diablo-D3 then apple says TOS violation, banned [07:10]
Diablo-D3 then they filed the suit, published the ad [07:10]
Diablo-D3 and NOW player 3 entered the game, and they got banned on the google play store as well [07:10]
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tang^ well, sun has dropped low enough that it's now shining in my eyes... time to leave the office for the evening [08:10]
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