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db morning [12:29]
puppy_za morning [01:48]
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sonOfRa good morning [03:15]
Faux Oh no. [03:27]
puppy_za hi sonOfRa [03:48]
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sonOfRa writes some C++03 for work today [04:45]
sonOfRa blegh [04:45]
puppy_za do you feel the superiority coming from coding in C++? :p [04:47]
sonOfRa I wish they could at least let me use C++11 [04:47]
sonOfRa "since C++11". Oh dear. [04:47]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "std::atomic -" [04:47]
puppy_za I guess it's an old project [04:50]
selckin 03, thats P4 800Mhz, with 1gb ram [04:51]
selckin did they even have threads [04:52]
Faux I'm kinda surprised more software doesn't just totally fail if you run it on multi-core machines. [04:55]
Faux Maybe it did for 15 years and I just ignored the problem. [04:56]
Faux Or maybe much software was written for SERVER CLASS HARDWARE which had two cpus with one core each. [04:56]
[twisti] didnt they have threads since the 486 era ? [05:07]
Faux Linux didn't have what we'd call threads until 2.6 (~2003-2005). Pentium 4 didn't have multi-core; was succeeded by "Core 2" in ~2006. [05:22]
Faux Pentium 4 also didn't have x86-64/amd64. [05:25]
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sonOfRa Note that there is a lot of time between C++03 (which is basically C++98 with bugfixes) and the next release, which was C++11 [05:28]
Faux There was also about a decade between c++03 being released and msvc implementing any of it, which was moderately annoying with msvc being the dominant affordable compiler for that decade. [05:28]
sonOfRa Good thing I didn't start writing C++ until like 2012! [05:29]
sonOfRa And used gcc when I did [05:29]
Faux Yeah. A glorious future, assuming you are targeting machines made after 2012. [05:29]
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puppy_za that's almost like the future [05:50]
sonOfRa Today is the 13th anniversary of none pizza with left beef! [06:35]
selckin i ordered 2 kebabs like that a few months ago [06:41]
selckin dropdown single select instead of multiselect checkboxes, so got bread with 1 thing, their reviews are full of months & months of ppl trying to tell them [06:42]
selckin must be some stupid employees working there not figuring out all the strange orders [06:43]
sonOfRa Kitty likes sleeping on the heater. [07:37]
sonOfRa sonOfRa's title: "Shared album - Simon Levermann - Google Photos" [07:37]
Faux Strong effort. [07:37]
selckin energy saving mode activated [07:59]
Faux My car shows that when it means "battery critically low please fuck off", I like their calming choice of wording. [08:00]
sonOfRa + [08:00]
sonOfRa oops [08:00]
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selckin my desk is getting warped where my laptop is from the heat [09:31]
sonOfRa Jesus christ the OWA email rendering is *even more fucked* than it is in outlook [09:35]
sonOfRa It just doesn't apply the CSS styles *at all* [09:35]
sonOfRa And it also seems to reorder the dom for you! [09:35]
Faux Optimised! [09:37]
Faux Just use this style sheet: [09:37]
Faux Faux's title: "This page is a truly naked, brutalist html quine." [09:37]
sonOfRa like, I expect that gmail for example strips the body tag [09:38]
sonOfRa so apparently the workaround for that is to have <body><table id="whatever"></table></body> and apply your CSS to both the body and the table [09:39]
sonOfRa However, while the actual html for the email is <body><table id="whatever">content</table></body>, inspecting the (literally more than 20 divs deep) HTML source inside OWA, it is <body>content<table id="whatever"></table></body> [09:39]
sonOfRa Aha! It looks like all the web mail clients filter all the display: flex related stuff, so our layout can't work in web email clients anyway and we have to redo it with tables :D [09:45]
freeone3000 sonOfRa: Even if you could send it, it won't render. Outlook web is built for compatibility with outlook desktop, which uses the Word 2005 HTML engine. [09:47]
sonOfRa but... it renders in outlook desktop just fine! [09:47]
sonOfRa Wait, I'm on OSX [09:47]
sonOfRa oh no [09:47]
freeone3000 Outlook on OSX uses the native web component, because Office for Mac is built by a team in a different building. [09:47]
sonOfRa You know I'm now *really* surprised that *noone* complained about this fucked email layout yet [09:48]
sonOfRa A few hundred (b2b) customers have gotten these emails [09:48]
selckin just email an image with <map>'s [09:48]
sonOfRa Noone complaiend it's fucked [09:48]
selckin b2b is funny, we have a ex-customer still sending up 15req/s [09:49]
freeone3000 imagemaps don't work on gmail [09:50]
selckin but it's ancient tech nobody remembers that exist, how can i tnot be supported for this :( [09:51]
freeone3000 So. Ordered groceries. And "Simply Jus Ref. Or 100% Pur Pulpe" is under "Produit Lait". [09:51]
selckin vegan milk [09:52]
freeone3000 def orange juice [09:53]
selckin if you're gonna drink sugar, at least do some coke [09:54]
Faux yeah [09:54]
sonOfRa Soooo [09:57]
sonOfRa <tables>? [09:57]
sonOfRa Is that really the state of the art in html email [09:57]
freeone3000 yes [09:57]
sonOfRa html email was a mistake [09:57]
freeone3000 oh hell yes [09:57]
freeone3000 send plain text email [09:57]
sonOfRa we do! [09:57]
sonOfRa I insisted we make the email both plain and html [09:58]
sonOfRa But GOTTA HAVE A LOGO [09:58]
freeone3000 why [09:58]
selckin nothing wrong with sweet table [09:58]
sonOfRa THE BUSINESS [09:58]
freeone3000 send the logo as an attachment [09:58]
sonOfRa NEEDS TEH LOGO [09:58]
sonOfRa nono it has to be visible in the email [09:58]
sonOfRa has to look pretty [09:58]
freeone3000 it will be on outlook and gmail as an s/mime embed if it's above the fold [09:58]
freeone3000 you can just drop the base64-enc image into the email as a multipart and have the second part still be text/plain [09:58]
sonOfRa For the sensible users who have set their mail client to "prefer plain text", we show them a nicely formatted plain text email [09:59]
freeone3000 also you could do the world's simplest thing and drop an <img> tag and a <pre> tag and call it a day [09:59]
sonOfRa It's also a bit constrained, we can't fully construct the email and attachments [09:59]
sonOfRa It's a freemarker template for keycloak user action emails which can only do so much [09:59]
freeone3000 can you construct them a *little*? because a <img> tag and a <pre> tag sounds pretty basic. [10:00]
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sonOfRa Yeah, probably. I'll have to ask how little prettiness is acceptable [10:02]
sonOfRa Stuff like "but the heading's gotta be in bold" will probably still have to stay in [10:03]
selckin should make a service you email, and it mails back screenshots from every client in the world [10:05]
selckin instant rich [10:05]
freeone3000 selckin: [10:06]
sonOfRa "What are you cooking there? That smells like it's been dead for years" [10:14]
sonOfRa "Ghoulash" [10:14]
sonOfRa Alright enough email bullshit for today, this was fun. [10:15]
Faux Hee hee, official couchdb (don't ask) packaging for debuntu doesn't pin major versions. Sounds like a familiar bug. [10:19]
selckin working as intended [10:20]
db Faux: you had me at couchdb [10:26]
Faux It doesn't even start, or print anything, just crashes out. Fucking erlang. [10:26]
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acuzio morning ladies [10:47]
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acuzio Rust _and_ Erlang ,, hipster central i see [11:04]
acuzio Passing `ssh` credentials from host to docker - that is not host O.S specific ,any pointers ? [11:14]
selckin agent forwarding? [11:16]
selckin everything should have that [11:16]
selckin SSH_AUTH_SOCKET & stuff [11:18]
acuzio SSH_AUTH_SOCK for osx is different from ubuntu/linux they are on different ports/services ; hence a generic , nice way of doing it without going "Hey if you are running foo then go to X else if you are running bar go to Y else if you are demented and running cygwin find a new job" and so on [11:33]
selckin shouldn't they all export the var once you start whatever agent is relevant [11:34]
acuzio the var export is fine , the problem is that they start it and have it in different locations and on bind some versions of docker require +actual+ paths [11:35]
fovid-19 [11:38]
fovid-19 have you tried googling your problems [11:38]
acuzio I have and ended up with loads of "solutions" hence my question - [11:39]
acuzio but thanks for playing fovid-19 [11:39]
fovid-19 salutes with the middle finger [11:39]
selckin socat to move the socket to tcp for max evilness [11:40]
selckin oh that won't work on windows [11:40]
acuzio ON a separate note, I really think having separate kernel runtimes / container should be the way to go - but that is not happening any time soon clearly [11:41]
selckin sounds like a vm [11:41]
acuzio Speed of a container, security and isolation of a VM [11:42]
acuzio thats the dream [11:42]
selckin isn't that the whole goal of cgroup that docker & friends use [11:43]
acuzio hmmm , no - they have a single underlying host-kernel [11:43]
acuzio OF course this is the reason why in production , most often containers end up being provisioned in their own full VM, negating the performance promises of containers. [12:00]
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fovid-19 freeone3000, selckin - we were talkin about getting more competent in the kitchen [01:17]
fovid-19 [01:17]
fovid-19 this looks like a promising site. [01:17]
tang^ competent in the kitchen eh? [01:19]
acuzio buildah and podman [01:20]
acuzio has anyone used this ? [01:20]
selckin those look like a lot of work [01:21]
acuzio the RH guys swear by it [01:21]
fovid-19 selckin: this one looks pretty basic. [01:21]
fovid-19 as does [01:22]
fovid-19 see also their technique videos [01:22]
fovid-19 i like how they're sort of a cooking school as well as cookbook and buying platform [01:23]
tang^ buy our supplies [01:24]
fovid-19 they've got an easy salmon recipe [01:24]
tang^ oh, buy links take you to [01:25]
fovid-19 yeah they're just affiliate links [01:25]
fovid-19 i havent checked out the app itself yet, apparently it has grocery buying baked in [01:25]
tang^ also yikes... $99 USD for three metal bowls? [01:25]
fovid-19 lolz. [01:26]
fovid-19 yeah i'd take their recommendations with a pinch of salt. [01:26]
fovid-19 they're probably on the money for pans, knives and appliances tho [01:26]
fovid-19 [01:27]
fovid-19 they misspelled 'paring knife' [01:28]
tang^ I mean, I paid well over $200 for one knife [01:28]
fovid-19 i take it all back [01:28]
fovid-19 he recommended the victorinox fibrox [01:28]
fovid-19 ? [01:28]
acuzio what are you lot talking about ? [01:28]
tang^ the whatnow? [01:28]
fovid-19 your face. [01:28]
fovid-19 can confirm the victorinox chef and paring are ace. [01:29]
fovid-19 and the tip to buy pans from a commercial supply store is good. [01:29]
freeone3000 pans from a commercial supply store is a great tip, since a real quarter-sheet cost you the same as a walmart cookie sheet and be so much better. [01:30]
fovid-19 that commercial supply store will also sell you a victorinox fibrox! [01:31]
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freeone3000 (I still prefer my ceramic. It holds its edge with so much less hassle.) [01:43]
tang^ I like the knives from [01:47]
tang^ tang^'s title: "Knifewear | Canada's best selection of Japanese Knives" [01:47]
fovid-19 freeone3000: i've had my fibrox for ~3yrs without needing to sharpen it, just a quick pass on a honing steel every week or so to keep it tomato slicing sharp. [01:51]
fovid-19 wouldnt buy them as they're brittle, can't be sharpened and are fundamentally disposable. [01:52]
ron tang^: fyi, I read that MSFT extended the elite 2 controller warranty to a year retroactively (instead of the miserable 90 days), so you might be able to take advantage of it. [02:24]
tang^ ron: thanks! I'll pass that along [02:24]
ron I'm going to try. [02:24]
fovid-19 jesus, 90 days? [02:49]
fovid-19 EU requires a year minimum i think [02:49]
ron EU can suck MSFT's dick. [02:52]
tang^ I think the EU prefers it the other way around [02:54]
tang^ and that could be why MSFT had to extend [02:55]
[twisti] 90 days what ? i seem to have lost some backlog [02:55]
tang^ warranty for MSFT's elite 2 controller [02:56]
tang^ which is having serious quality issues [02:56]
ron that's not why but I'll explain when he returns [03:13]
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Faux [04:13]
Faux Faux's title: "John Regehr on Twitter: "I have a 128-thread machine running (basically) only Z3 and well over 50% of the total cycles are either idle or getting burned in kernel mode. I dug into this and at least one of the culprits is this sort of thing..." [04:13]
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ron tang^: it's actually because they were threatened by a bunch of lawsuits [06:31]
tang^ you don't say [06:31]
ron huh, just checked in the account and the warranty is indeed extended [06:37]
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db morning [09:07]
db It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness. [09:07]
Faux I hope so. [09:11]
db good morning Faux. [09:16]
db I got this stoic quote app which gives me a stoic quote every morning at 0800, this was today's quote. [09:17]
Faux Ah, I thought you meant "Good morning Faux", which would be rather more creepy. [09:25]
db ( ? ?? ?) [09:39]
db I observe to styles of comments on obvious mistakes in code reviews. 1. "this is wrong" 2. "why did you it like this?" I don't know how to feel about 2. [09:40]
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