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Faux Morning. [12:57]
db morning! [12:57]
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acuzio morning ladies [02:32]
Samian hey db remember how you said you were rooting for me? And I thought I nailed it? I'm reading a posts from many of people stating the same thing, and what's all in common was that the interviewers were Indian. Do you think there's a bias among indians to hire other indians? [02:33]
Faux Morning acuzio. [02:33]
db lol. [02:33]
Samian https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-bias-among-Indians-of-hiring-other-Indian-workers-in-the-IT-industry [02:34]
acuzio ricky_clarkson: continuing from yesterday - , yes once Loom is Production ready , i would probly stop writing stuff like that ; i think its already pretty flaky to begin with and only for specific use-cases [02:34]
acuzio Faux: [02:34]
Samian "If you don?t believe this, look at it this way. If the interviewers are all Indian and they have the power to pick the candidate, and EVERYONE is Indian, how do you think it got that way?" one person states [02:34]
db Samian: I guess there will always be added sympathy towards "one of your own kind" but I wouldn't overthink it. [02:35]
Samian I think my last quote brings to light evidence of something fishy [02:36]
Samian it's statistics. Suppose everyone hired at a company is Indian, and it's not even close to the case that only indians are qualified. What are your chances of them hiring you if you aren't Indian? Close to 0 [02:37]
Faux jfc [02:37]
Faux You lost, get over it. You lost partially because you're a bad loser. [02:38]
acuzio Samian: you are a fucking knucklehead , when the others in the channel were saying this , i should have listened [02:38]
Samian no I'm not. I'm just entertaining my curiousity and reading other people's stories. [02:38]
Faux D [02:38]
Samian I'm just going to shutup [02:39]
Samian if anything maybe that quora.com thread is just a pool of people who've made excuses. Bottom linie I could have performed better. [02:40]
Samian The reason I asked in here is that I didn't make up my mind and was interested in what you guys think. My position is "I don't know why I got rejected" because they haven't told me. Everything is inconclusive speculation [02:41]
Faux You got rejected because they didn't think you were a perfectly shaped cog for their machine, either for social or technical reasons. Any justification they give is irrelevant. [02:42]
acuzio Ok , I will explain why what you are saying is beyond fucking stupid. Indians are over-represented in Tech because guess what the Indian Education system made a fucking conscious effort to build "I.T" staff. It started in earnest in the early 90's. At the outset a majority of the jobs being outsourced were boring, repetitive and in reality low-skilled. This peaked with the Y2K bug . And the [02:43]
acuzio post-internet boom era also led to the decimation of a lot of the outsourced IT workforce. [02:43]
acuzio Post this : The Indian companies got smarter and moved up the value chain and started concentrating on higher-end work for cheaper cost . This started bearing fruit around the early 2010's .. conversely as they moved up the chain the good ones moved out of the country and into Western Europe and the US. In many cases, the Indian companies bought out their American counterparts and they now [02:45]
acuzio outsource to other cheaper locations like Vietnam, Bulgaria, Romania, Philippines etc. [02:45]
acuzio And yes if you have heard this before, stop me now ; This is how capitalism works ; This has also happened in industries as diverse as Auto Manufacturing , Whisky production , High-end Fashion design. And yes I.T [02:46]
acuzio And as a final bonhomie : What Faux said , you simply are not of the shape of the right cog that they need. [02:47]
acuzio And as a personal suggestion Samian , if you want to get hired, get better. (Dont blame others especially on Xenophobic or racial tones when quite frankly other than White Men almost every other "class" of people has been historically opressed) ; And if you want motivation , remember the guy who first wrote the Chrome Browser Engine lived in a shed in Denmark with no internet connection (by [02:51]
acuzio choice) . Google fucking searched him out and accepted all his conditions to get him to work for them ; So yeah [02:51]
Samian acuzio when you say that what I'm saying is beyond fucking stupid, I didn't mean to "say" anything. I was asking the channel for opinions on this thread I was reading. I did not form the judgments or make the allegations made by others in that quora thread. They are not my judgments. They are not my allegations. And I'm not claiming they're right. I have a strong internal locus of control. [02:53]
Samian I beleive everything is ultimately my fault. I prefer view myself as a survivor than a victim. [02:53]
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acuzio Samian: This is even worse , why the fuck should it matter what people think - none of us were there in the interview - you did it and now you are moaning about it and worse pointing to a fucking stupid Quora thread going "here are a bunch of assholes talking about Brown people in a biased manner , do you want to comment on that ?" ; Can you not see thats even worse ? [03:00]
db let's just conclude it's the Indian's fault! [03:01]
db next [03:01]
db Another satisfied customer. Next! [03:01]
acuzio db :-) [03:02]
Samian acuzio yes I see it now. I don't know what got into me. Reading that quora thread was a total waste of my time not to mention poison to my mind. I'm getting back to solving a projecteuler.net [03:02]
Samian problem [03:02]
AMcBain acuzio, Lars Bak? (First one I found from Denmark.) I don't see anything about a shed equivalent... I mean hunting down great talent that secluded itself does happen, but a little much embellishment? :P [03:06]
AMcBain Though as much as I dislike some of the total end result (Chrome and I don't really get along; it always seems to have issues) there is some cool stuff under the hood. [03:08]
AMcBain (Also they just fixed a bug I reported 3.5 years ago.) [03:08]
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AMcBain but to be fair to Chrome, my new desktop has a ton of RAM so Firefox can't eat it all. :P [03:11]
acuzio AMcBain: Hmm , its in a book about the story of Chrome ; he doesnt live in a shed all the time , he was taking a break to think things over when Google searched him out [03:13]
AMcBain Ah. That might be why I can't seem to bring anything up on it. [03:13]
AMcBain but hey, if they have to go visit you to get in touch, then you know they really do want you for your skills. :) [03:14]
[twisti] reading anything on quora is a total waste of time [03:14]
acuzio AMcBain: Exactly :-) In fact there are stories like this across the board ; the GCC maintainer was hired by GS in a similar fashion , he was living off the grid as well. [03:15]
AMcBain "Just when I finally got away from it all, YOU come knocking at my door. Ugh. Fine." [03:16]
AMcBain I just have to rely on an accidentally "unprintable" resume. (I added a full bleed background stripe behind my contact info; 100% of all home and office printers will cut it off unless printed on oversized paper and trimmed down. Whoops.) [03:16]
AMcBain Unprintable margins are totally a thing. Oh well. [03:16]
acuzio The main committer on Apache Flink was not reachable and hired by Alibaba when they tracked him down Scuba diving [03:16]
AMcBain *dive radio* "We'd like to get in touch with you about an extended warranty--" 'No! Start over.' "OH, right, uh..." [03:17]
acuzio In our world the Orion Application Server team was tracked down by Oracle in Sweden ; they went to the house couldnt find the right person , so sat down outside the house ,, waiting , turns out he actually lived in the garage [03:18]
AMcBain Hm. I sense a pattern of eccentricity. [03:19]
acuzio yup :-) [03:19]
AMcBain I have a bit of being eclectic down but I'm not crazy good at anything. :P Probably just average. [03:22]
acuzio I have an abiding interest in what makes people successful and what i realised was that for the real _big_ Elon Musk, Bill Gates type success you have to be rich for at least 2 generations ; However in our field its possible to be _really_ successful if you have the smarts and most importantly the dedication to stick with it. The eccentricity helps in the dedication; you have to actively stop [03:22]
acuzio normal human interaction [03:22]
acuzio s/realised/the data points to [03:22]
acuzio Its the Peter Norvig 10,000 hours of practice (not sure if its Norvig or that other guy with the hair) [03:23]
AMcBain Google says Malcolm Gladwell. [03:24]
acuzio yeah the guy with the hair - [03:24]
acuzio Peter Norvig quoted it in his AIMA book [03:24]
AMcBain Who gave a talk on chunky spaghetti. [03:24]
AMcBain + sauce [03:24]
acuzio Interestingly , there are a whole bunch of "unknown" multi-millionaires in the I.T field who are primarily in Academics who have done fundamental work in the field , started a small company , proved the concept and then cashed out and gone back to academics [03:26]
AMcBain They found the theory more interesting than the practical applications? [03:27]
acuzio I think its more like they proved the theory by implementing it at a small scale , had no interest in running a company to grow it and so sold it to FAANG or one of the other behemoths and went back to academics [03:28]
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viraltaco_ o/ hoi [03:29]
Samian Now I must watch all of Lars Bak's talks on becoming a better programmer [03:31]
AMcBain facepalms. [03:32]
AMcBain The only thing I regret is not indulging in buying one of those Pi Picos on launch day because I get to see everyone else (well, not that many) already with one :P [03:33]
AMcBain got one today when Adafruit (re?) stocked. [03:34]
AMcBain s/got/ordered/ [03:35]
acuzio Interestingly , there is an over-representation of Indians in that specific subset of multi-millionaires doing academic research and cashing out as well , this includes fields like fibre optics, tcp/ip stack optimisation, re-inforcement learning in vision etc. .. They however cluster around MIT and Stanford. [03:35]
ricky_clarkson My group is probably mostly Indian or at least 50%, but I think that's a function of the subject area, supply chain/logistics. [03:38]
[twisti] so yesterday i bitched about our client company not following code conventions and us finally forbidding merge requests where linter and code style checking didnt run. wake up this morning to a commit of them just disabling all the rules. how the fuck can you still be this invested in spaces in 2021 [03:38]
ricky_clarkson It seems to be something that Indians study or take an interest in, ERPs, finance, all that, whereas Europeans and Americans seem to be more into pure code. [03:39]
AMcBain [twisti], any project that involves VisualStudio (and by that usually C#) invariably ends up with files that when opened ask to normalize the line endings and having me go "Well how did it get that way in the first place?!" [03:41]
acuzio ricky_clarkson: thats true to some extent ; as part of my abiding interest i have another data point , There is this university in India called "Indian Institute of Technology" and the competition to get in at the UG level is completely mad , we are talking 1 in a million type chances. There is insane levels of dedication by parents and children to get inside it ; I am talking 5 to 7 years of [03:44]
acuzio prep , as a result folks who come out from there at the top-level get picked by all the top companies and institutions , these people do "pure code" , fundamental research etc. "Fun" fact the PageRank algorithm was originally proven by one of the "Indian" professors as a way to rank search results [03:44]
acuzio 60 minutes characterised the competition as "Those who cant get into IIT go to Harvard" - there is some truth to that . [03:45]
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acuzio BTW , that PageRank algorithm story was told by Sergey Brin when the professor died [03:47]
nkm interesting [03:48]
ricky_clarkson acuzio: I believe I work with a couple of people like that, one who's great and the other not so much. [03:48]
acuzio ricky_clarkson: I work with a guy like that as well, he is one of the original contributors to kubernetes ; wicked smart, very sane , could do a lot better , is just comfortable with us. [03:49]
acuzio Mind you, the IIT competition is supposed to be for the B.Eng Comp Sci stream, thats where the cream ends up , there are other not-so-wanted streams as well which are "normal" [03:51]
ricky_clarkson Mine's probably not at that level, at least not very visibly. [03:51]
acuzio (this is just bad , we are referring to these guys like they are a poodle or something) [03:51]
ricky_clarkson My university back in the UK was for the ones who couldn't get into the average universities :/ [03:51]
acuzio Imperial ? or Oxbridge ? [03:52]
Faux Oh, UCL? [03:52]
Faux Lolling. [03:52]
Faux acuzio is serious. [03:52]
ricky_clarkson Salford [03:52]
ricky_clarkson sounds like Stanford, the resemblance ends there [03:52]
acuzio what is Salford ? Is it up-naaaaarth ? [03:53]
Faux It's where the beeb shunted all their cheap employees to! [03:53]
ricky_clarkson yep, but the beeb is in a posh bit [03:53]
Faux Manchester's docks district. [03:53]
ricky_clarkson more isolated than posh really [03:53]
acuzio so outside Zone 3 then - i wouldnt know [03:53]
Faux Heh, was just looking at Manchester on a map and thinking "what a cute little town, none of this sprawling conurbation shit". [03:54]
ricky_clarkson My lecturers were mostly ex-maths ones, they chose CS over unemployment when the maths department downsized a year before I started there. [03:54]
Faux My uni isn't even top ten anymore, because Loughbrough is. [03:55]
ricky_clarkson Some things were good but they really skimped on theory [03:55]
ricky_clarkson Faux: Manchester is deceptively large [03:55]
acuzio At some point in my life when I am a man of leisure i want to go and learn Math properly [03:55]
ricky_clarkson There are things like Sale, Altrincham, that don't officially count as Manchester, but 'are' [03:56]
Faux I think I've only ever been through Manchester because we got lost on a bus around Liverpool. [03:56]
acuzio ricky_clarkson: I have been to the gay district in the center where they make fantastic curry , it was about 10 minutes walk from the Train Station (or at least I think it was the gay district) [03:56]
ricky_clarkson Even Bolton and Bury are almost in it [03:56]
ricky_clarkson Ah, the vague illage [03:56]
Faux Yeah, I know it's a honking great city really. [03:56]
ricky_clarkson I don't recall curry in the gay village [03:57]
ricky_clarkson be careful [03:57]
acuzio curry and beer [03:57]
ricky_clarkson I lived in Rusholme a couple of years, a couple of miles south of that, aka 'The Curry Mile' [03:57]
ricky_clarkson Fun little shithole [03:58]
acuzio or it might have been Thai Curry , fuck knows , it was a dude's pre-Stag do when they announced Civil Partnership here [03:58]
acuzio So a while back [03:58]
acuzio oh what fresh hell is this : https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-00c5-48ad-a8ee-0b9fd75554b0 [03:58]
acuzio acuzio's title: "Subscribe to read | Financial Times" [03:58]
ricky_clarkson The Chinatown is near the vague illage, that's likely to have non-Indian curries [03:59]
Faux It's called a paywall. [03:59]
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AMcBain Oh, I was going to call it consequences. [03:59]
Faux Heh, better reply than I meant. [03:59]
AMcBain ) [03:59]
Faux WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WALL AND .. WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT [03:59]
AMcBain ...ANYMOOOOORE [04:00]
ricky_clarkson A wall built out of foreign trucks stuck in car parks [04:00]
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AMcBain ( [04:00]
AMcBain Less paywall? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/25/mastercard-to-raise-fees-to-eu-firms-by-500-percent-for-online-sales-to-uk-shoppers [04:01]
AMcBain AMcBain's title: "Mastercard to raise fees by at least 400% for EU firms selling to UK customers | Credit cards | The Guardian" [04:01]
sonOfRa I wonder in what fun ways this macbook "dock" I just bought is going to fail me! [04:01]
nkm what "IIT competition" ? [04:02]
ricky_clarkson I didn't realise the UK left the EEA, I thought it was only the EU [04:02]
sonOfRa What could possibly go wrong with an adapter by a company called "dodowin" [04:02]
nkm acuzio: ? [04:02]
acuzio (Mastercard has jacked up prices if you are buying from the EU) [04:02]
AMcBain sonOfRa, Would it be like the "Thunderbolt compatible" dock I got once for a laptop that had an incomplete Thunderbolt implementation? "Oh, I can charge. Brighten the screen!" *15s later* "Ah, I'm not not charging. Dim the screen!" *15s later* "Oh, I can charge. [...]" (repeat endlessly) [04:02]
acuzio nkm: Competition among students to join IIT [04:03]
nkm acuzio: oh, i might be missing some context [04:03]
AMcBain logs [04:03]
AMcBain channel logs can be found at http://javabot.evanchooly.com/ (Select the channel from the list on the left-hand side.) [04:03]
nkm that competition is called IIT-JEE btw [04:03]
[twisti] AMcBain: line endings get fucked up on accidents, 4/2 spaces is a choice [04:04]
sonOfRa What I would very much like to know is: If I buy one of those 2-pin docks, can I do power, HDMI, AND usb-c video over it? [04:05]
AMcBain [twisti], I dunno how on accident. Would seem to me if everyone is on Windows using VS, then how do line endings get flipped for only some lines? but yes, indent is explicit. [04:05]
sonOfRa But they all WON'T FUCKING TELL ME [04:05]
nkm what if you could provide grep commands to run on logs ? [04:05]
AMcBain Then it would mean someone spent more time on it. [04:05]
[twisti] AMcBain: i can answer that: copy and paste from a file with different line endings copies the different line ending as well [04:05]
ricky_clarkson I haven't noticed line endings differences in years. [04:06]
AMcBain I always see it on at least one file in any project using Visual Studio. I swear. [04:06]
AMcBain (VS has a popup when you open a file like that asking if you want to normalize it.) [04:06]
AMcBain I think that while [twisti] is right some can come from copying, I think some come in via some sort of auto-fix process in VS that gets used eventually by a programmer, but I've not bothered to track it down. [04:07]
[twisti] for code i havent seen it in a while either, but various meta files have popped up for us with cr/lf problems, for example one project uses a script to use mysqldump to (re)generate seed data for a test database [04:08]
acuzio nkm: yes JEE , i was referring to that ; [04:10]
AMcBain Well... 1am. Oops. Zz. [04:10]
nkm acuzio: the cream ends up in comp sci, because thats where the quick money is [04:11]
acuzio yeah - ., thats my understanding as well [04:16]
acuzio I am so happy because of this : https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/ex-brexit-party-mep-says-johnsons-deal-has-left-her-fishing-business-on-its-knees/25/01/ [04:20]
acuzio I hope she loses everything - everything , not just her business but everything; Fucking Bitch [04:20]
sonOfRa Refrain. [04:21]
nkm i eat the fish [04:22]
nkm "i eat the fish" [04:22]
[twisti] is it "this implements the feedback from <person>" or "feedback by" ? [04:44]
Faux I'd go with 'from', I think. 'by' might be okay. [04:47]
acuzio Feedback from <> [04:47]
acuzio I am going to find that fucking bitch lives and ensure she gets a gift package going "You won, get over it" [04:48]
sonOfRa Last chance [04:49]
acuzio sorry last chance for what ? am i missing something here [04:49]
db "gift package" "furious citizen arrested over internet bomb threat" [04:49]
sonOfRa You're missing that you're being a disgusting asshole again, apparently. [04:51]
acuzio No, i do mean a nice gift package with roses and things ; this woman would come on all the channels and her standard response was "I am in the industry and know how this works" ; After 4 years of telling her and everyone like her that she is making a mistake and taking the rest of us along with her . Now , 25 days , 25 days later she goes "we are on our knees , please help us". , condemning the [04:53]
acuzio rest of us for a whole generation if not more. [04:53]
Faux They've been asking for a good deal for years! She's very explicit, it's someone else's fault that they got a bad deal. [04:54]
mbooth "Oven ready" [04:54]
sonOfRa Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Why are journalists so bad a journalisting [04:56]
sonOfRa Handelsblatt (german economic newspaper) published an article leading with "AstraZeneca could only be 8% efficacious in >65 age group" [04:57]
sonOfRa So what happened? They read a scientific publication wrong (8% of the participants in the study to *check* the efficacy were IN THAT AGE GROUP) [04:57]
db finally we know the truth! [04:58]
acuzio The reason this particular woman riles me up is because i met her. I was at the "Second referendum" march and this woman and her cohorts were standing in the corner jeering at the "remoaners" , and this specific person brought a real fish painted in the UK colors to show "British" Fish [04:59]
acuzio People forget but from 2016 till 2020 all of these "British patriots" almost continuously said "You are not behind the country ; You lost, get over it ; Liberal Scum etc etc." And look now , I think its only fair that people like me should clap when these people lose their livelihood [05:01]
Faux https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280 [05:19]
Faux Faux's title: "Alex Wickham on Twitter: "NEW: The German Health Ministry has DENIED the Handelsblatt report claiming the AstraZeneca vaccine had only 8% efficacy for over-65s They say there has been confusion and 8% actually refers to the number of peop..." [05:19]
sonOfRa Faux: yup, see above. Still no retraction. [05:23]
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puppy_za so what is it? [05:49]
puppy_za also, how trustworthy is Handelsblatt? [05:50]
sonOfRa They're an economic newspaper. [05:53]
sonOfRa You'd think they'd be able to read fucking percentages [05:53]
puppy_za I used to think that but sometimes it's more the journalists (major in humanity / english) who are interested in finance, rather than the economists, writing the articles. But again if it passes the editors then someone needs to get fired. [05:56]
sonOfRa Of course it is. [05:56]
sonOfRa The rules is: Read any article about tech. Realize how terrible it is. [05:57]
sonOfRa Then realize that it's not going to be any better in other fields, it just seems to you that way because you're not an expert in that field. [05:57]
puppy_za yeah [05:57]
puppy_za if journalism is better paid then there might be more experts to do it :p [05:58]
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db puppy_za: yeah but fuck those news portals which want money or have me turn off the ad blocker! I rather get my news from facebook. sad! [07:05]
sonOfRa If you're gonna install a paywall, at least paywall the fucking headlines and leads as well [07:06]
db right, spiegel plus my ass [07:07]
puppy_za lol [07:08]
puppy_za they can not bait you if there is no headline [07:09]
sonOfRa Man that's not good. The kebab shop that's ~50m from our house is actually *good* [07:15]
puppy_za watches sonOfRa ballooning [07:17]
db https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l4ws93/app_suspended_from_google_play_for_listing [07:18]
db db's title: "App suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats - one of which was the ASS format : programming" [07:18]
sonOfRa So I'm biased in this because I work for the company, but would you consider "companies that specialize in providing access to a limited good (aka concert tickets)" getting contracts to provide infrastructure to reserve slots for vaccination appointments, a bad thing? [07:18]
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puppy_za yes [07:23]
sonOfRa Okay, why, and who else should do it instead? [07:24]
db https://youtu.be/I-OOpZitfd0 [07:26]
db db's title: "Every Single Scandinavian Crime Drama - YouTube" [07:26]
puppy_za sonOfRa: ok it's a bit harsh to say it's a bad thing, but is the said company familiar with fair distribution? [07:29]
sonOfRa Well, for now, you're only eligible for a slot anyways if you are part of certain groups anyways [07:30]
puppy_za true [07:30]
puppy_za I mean if I am a person who is outside the group and wants to be vaccinated, I would definitely call you guys. :p [07:31]
puppy_za although I guess you guys also know how to prevent vaccine scrapping [07:32]
sonOfRa We don't do vaccine distribution at all. We only let people sign up for appointments to receive a vaccine [07:32]
puppy_za oh then it should be fine [07:35]
puppy_za then the company knows how to handle large traffic (if people are rushing to register) [07:36]
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BluesBoy sonOfRa: considering that there are so many problems with people getting appointments maybe the state should leave it to someone more experienced [08:55]
sonOfRa Okay, but *who* is more experienced at "connect a person to a time slot for a limited commodity" than ticket sale companies? [08:56]
BluesBoy and what happens when there is more vaccine available, and there is even more people wanting it [08:57]
sonOfRa Again, we're not setting the appointments for the vaccines, the government says "here's how many people we can vaccinate per day, and here's how long each slot takes". The result is then a web site where you can register a time slot [08:57]
BluesBoy I can't think of anyoune else more experinced and equiped [08:58]
db I figure the difficult part would be to determine who is eligible? how does that work? [08:58]
db oh or is it just by age for now? [08:59]
waz our county is using a ticketing/event system, works well [08:59]
sonOfRa It's mostly age, but also some workers (retirement homes etc) can get vaccinated [09:00]
BluesBoy its age for now [09:00]
fotato Presumably easy enough to scan a photo ID to verify identity. There are third party services which do this. [09:00]
sonOfRa It's a multi-step process, first you verify your identity and thus your eligibility, and then you can select an available slot [09:01]
sonOfRa Right now, there are... no slots :D [09:01]
fotato I reckon age is the biggest determinant and any specific circumstances would either ?be very sure and bring supporting documentation? or they?re not a target demographic and vaccinated on-site (I.e medical workers who are already in a hospital) [09:01]
sonOfRa https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&text=80%20Jahre%20oder%20%C3%A4lter%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20einer%20Einrichtung%20der%20ambulanten%20oder%20station%C3%A4ren%20Altenpflege%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20der%20Notfallrettung%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20der%20spezialisierten%20ambulanten%20Palliativversorgung%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20einer%20medizinischen%20Einrichtung%2C%20in%20der%20prim%C3%A4r%20onkologische%2C%20immunsupprimierte%20oder%20dialysepflic [09:03]
sonOfRa htige%20Patienten%20behandelt%20werden%20oder%20in%20der%20f%C3%BCr%20eine%20Infektion%20mit%20dem%20Coronavirus%20SARS-CoV-2%20relevante%20aerosolgenerierende%20T%C3%A4tigkeiten%20i.S.d.%20%C2%A7%202%20CoronaImpf-VO%20durchgef%C3%BChrt%20werden&op=translate that's what the website says right now for eligibility [09:03]
fotato SonOfRa is your company organising vaccination slots? I missed the specific chatter but that seems to be the implication [09:03]
sonOfRa Translates URLs are long, apparently [09:03]
fotato wow nice url [09:03]
Diablo-D3 thehell [09:03]
sonOfRa fotato: yeah. A lot of people are angry about this, and I personally am not, for obvious reasons, but I was wondering if I was missing something [09:03]
fotato I mean. Why would they be angry [09:03]
fotato are you charging? Are the slots transferable? [09:04]
sonOfRa No, and no [09:04]
sonOfRa They just don't like the company, because in general, ticket companies are shady [09:04]
fotato So what?s the argument [09:04]
fotato hrm [09:04]
sonOfRa There are obviously some shitty things the company did (and tries), but... who else would do this kind of software, and quickly? [09:05]
fotato I mean TM really can go fuck themselves. [09:05]
BluesBoy and it was way better when the people were trying for hours to reach someone on the phone or access some goverment website that couldn't handle the load [09:05]
fotato I imagine Facebook or google could have a decent crack at it [09:06]
fotato But the arguments against them doing it are even more compelling [09:06]
fotato event companies pretty much have this system already in place. It makes sense. [09:06]
fotato I?d have gone with something like Eventbrite tho. It has a friendlier public image. [09:07]
Diablo-D3 ""If Java is the anal sex of software platforms, because it works on anything, then Electron certainly is oral. In the end you still have tears in your eyes."" [09:11]
fotato I got sent some market research about a product TM were developing. A loyalty points system where going to shows and buying food/Merch got you points which you could use to bid for a better chance to get a ticket to an event [09:12]
fotato fair, somewhat okay concept. [09:13]
fotato Except you can trade, and buy, points. [09:13]
Diablo-D3 oohohohohohho [09:13]
fotato The sliders could not go red enough. [09:13]
Diablo-D3 https://github.com/xemantic/java-2-times-faster-than-c [09:17]
Diablo-D3 Diablo-D3's title: "GitHub - xemantic/java-2-times-faster-than-c: An experiment showing double performance of the code running on JVM comparing to equivalent native C code" [09:17]
db sonOfRa: they should have askes the makers of PC-wahl instead [09:20]
db *asked [09:20]
sonOfRa I had managed to forget about that. [09:23]
mbooth Hah https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20210117/FLXATT4LKVBGVEBRLAECJPTCHM/ [09:26]
mbooth mbooth's title: "As Adobe Flash stops running, so do some railroads in China ? Apple Daily" [09:26]
mbooth Just goes to show, programmers will always find the worst possible way to use any given tool. [09:28]
mbooth Fuckin' programmers [09:28]
Diablo-D3 worse is, china was told about 10 years ago to change [09:28]
sonOfRa proud of my mom for calling me and asking "what was that site where you can check if someone stole your password again?" <3 [09:37]
mbooth passport.gov.de.legitimate.domain.cc/enter_password_details.cgi?payload=secure.exe [09:40]
ron morning [09:58]
fotato ronning. [09:59]
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fotato Waz. I found something I wanted to share with you. Hang on. /me finds again [10:01]
fotato https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l2obb2/floridians_how_do_you_feel_about_the_florida_man/ [10:02]
fotato Some amazing anecdotes in there. [10:02]
waz haha [10:03]
fotato All of the format ?eh I mean I kinda get it. This one time.... ? [10:05]
ron I'm starting to think mountain lions in Colorado are Florida's gators. [10:10]
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fotato I have a mountain lion story! [10:13]
fotato Hiking one day, hear a yowling lion... pretty close. Don?t see it tho. A little concerned. Stop for a while and listen, not sure if I should double back instead of follow the loop through. Eventually see someone come up the trail the other way so figure it?s mostly safe to proceed. [10:14]
fotato Mention it to a friend [10:14]
fotato While talking the next day [10:14]
fotato he responds with a link. ?This trail?? - it has been closed due to aggressive mountain lion behaviour. [10:15]
ron gj fotato [10:15]
fotato Well it wasn?t closed when I hiked it. [10:15]
fotato It was closed the next day [10:15]
ron just saw a post in next ddor about a mountain lion sighting in a front lawn of a house in a nearby neighborhood [10:16]
fotato friend of mine recorded a porcupine just kinda doing its thing on his street when lockdown was being taken more seriously. [10:16]
fotato They wobble a surprising amount. [10:17]
waz I'd guess gators are a little more predictable and avoidable than mountain lions [10:17]
fotato Yeah, gators don?t stalk their prey [10:17]
sonOfRa Probably somewhat easier to fight off and get away from, too? Gators, that is [10:18]
waz Had about a 6 ft one that wasn't scared of people in a lake I lived on. [10:18]
fotato ambush predators vs ... the other thing. [10:18]
waz it'd come hoping for a handout. I had to 'train' it to be afraid of people [10:18]
ron yeah, they managed to scare it off and... it cllimbed on a nearby tree ???? [10:18]
fotato SonOfRa: if a gator has you in its jaws I mean good fuckin luck. But yes you can basically walk away from them. [10:18]
waz eventually it left that lake [10:18]
ron also, not a fan of the name 'mountain lion' [10:18]
sonOfRa fotato: just be brave and hold its mouth shut! [10:18]
ron not-a-lion [10:18]
waz saw is a few years later and it was massive [10:18]
sonOfRa I am led to believe they have a hard time opening, but an easy time closing their mouths [10:19]
fotato Ron: they live in mountains and they roar. [10:19]
sonOfRa Would I die when meeting an alligator? Betting pool's open! [10:19]
ron fotato: yes, but not lions [10:19]
ron why not use the oh so many other names? [10:19]
mbooth fotato: And hunt young men [10:19]
mbooth Oh wait, I'm thinking of cougars [10:19]
ron same thing [10:20]
waz Big gators are rarely a surprise encounter. [10:20]
fotato I dunno I think they favour very young or old or injured. [10:20]
ron mountain lions are cougars [10:20]
ron as are pumas [10:20]
fotato Cougars like men in their prime. Which make for risky prey [10:20]
ron and puma is a much cooler name than 'mountain lion' [10:20]
fotato it?s a bad analogy [10:20]
fotato Ron you?re just biased [10:20]
ron a bit yes [10:20]
fotato your puma isn?t even a car [10:20]
fotato er [10:20]
fotato cat [10:20]
ron she's not a car either [10:21]
ron so it's ok [10:21]
ron nor a shoe [10:21]
fotato I think there was a Ford puma [10:21]
fotato it was quite nice looking [10:21]
ron nou [10:21]
fotato aw tybb [10:21]
fotato There?s talk of it returning as a crossover sport coupe thing [10:23]
fotato They kinda ruined it. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28194880/ford-puma-euro-crossover-photos-info/ [10:23]
fotato fotato's title: "2020 Ford Puma ? New Small Crossover" [10:23]
fotato > Ford says the Puma has "seductive" styling and a fun-to-drive character; while we don't exactly feel seduced, it does look like a nice package. [10:24]
fotato hurrrrrr [10:24]
ron "probably coming to the US" [10:24]
fotato yeah that article can?t make its mind up eh [10:24]
ron yay it's snowing [10:25]
whaley go make it yellow snow [10:26]
ron that's milo's job [10:27]
sonOfRa I wish we got snow :( We got an ever so slight dusting on sunday, but it all melted after like 2 hours [10:28]
ron I wish [10:29]
sonOfRa Yeah, I get that. I was pretty happy to have *no snow* when I first moved here. Shoveling snow sucks. [10:30]
ron that ^ [10:31]
ron and as much as milo loves snow, that's not something he does :-/ [10:32]
sonOfRa Worst thing is my parents home is on a corner lot, so you have extra-much snow to shovel! [10:34]
fotato GUESS WHERE RON LIVES [10:35]
ron yup... [10:42]
sonOfRa My condolences. It's lovely when you're done shoveling, and looking at the far end of the lot, and can basically start over! [10:46]
ron oh, no, it's different here [10:47]
ron you need to shover within 24 hours of when it stopped snowing [10:47]
ron er [10:47]
ron shovel [10:47]
sonOfRa It's a county-ish level thing here, and it's mostly like "shovel within 1 hour of the snowfall stopping, if necessary multiple times a day" [10:51]
ron pfft, fuck that [10:51]
sonOfRa And it has to be snow-free-ish between 6 (7, 8, 9 in some places) until 9pm usually [10:51]
scav can't remember the last time i felt rain, or could see non-white stuff on the ground [10:52]
scav weather bergen norway [10:52]
scav Weather for Bergen, Norway | 27 F (-2 C) | humidity at 93 | broken clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:52:57 +0100 [10:52]
ron we don't get much rain here [10:55]
nkm move to india [10:57]
ron why [10:57]
nkm for rain [10:57]
nkm and you will also bring prosperity [10:58]
ron did I say I want rain? [10:58]
whaley weather sandy's bottom [11:00]
whaley Weather for 242 Retreat Village, St Simons, GA 31522, USA | 69 F (20 C) | humidity at 88 | scattered clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:00:57 -0500 [11:00]
whaley weather sandy bottom [11:01]
whaley Weather for Sandy Bottom Nature Park, 1255 Big Bethel Rd, Hampton, VA 23666, USA | 41 F (5 C) | humidity at 100 | overcast clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:01:11 -0500 [11:01]
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acuzio ping [11:33]
acuzio You rang, m'lord? [11:33]
acuzio Faux: RUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT [11:33]
tang^ so you go to Georgia to find Sandy? [11:34]
acuzio who the fuck is going to Georgia ? [11:36]
ron you are acuzio [11:40]
fotato sandy. you came and you gave without taking [11:43]
fotato but i send you away [11:43]
acuzio facepalms [11:59]
whaley acuzio: have you ever been to georgia? [12:22]
tang^ the devil went down to georgia [12:22]
mbooth Pfft, like acuzio would lower himself [12:23]
acuzio whaley: I have been ., yes. [12:23]
acuzio for 3 days [12:23]
whaley tang^: <3 [12:24]
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acuzio For some reason my laptop is losing connection all the time [12:49]
mbooth Have you looked behind the fridge? Quite often lost things end up there [12:51]
nkm mbooth: we should have a sensor behind fridge, if any thing falls there it should beep :P [12:52]
tang^ and keep beeping [12:53]
tang^ until you tear the kitchen apart looking for that damned beeping noise [12:53]
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mbooth Or the inverse, an "everything's okay" alarm until something is suddenly lost [12:54]
mbooth loses his marbles to quiet the alarm [12:54]
acuzio yes thank you mbooth [01:08]
acuzio BTW , what news did Bo Jo make Faux [01:08]
fotato Bojo makes news for Faux? [01:09]
acuzio well yeah ,, havent you heard - Faux is like royal [01:11]
Faux He made news that we gonn die and shouldn't fly internationally. [01:19]
acuzio And thats news ?? [01:33]
ricky_clarkson Which 'we' is that, the plebs, the political class or everyone? [01:36]
acuzio plebs of coure- not the Brexity ones - just the sane ones [01:36]
ricky_clarkson "Jan 4, 2021 ? Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced Monday that he will travel to Brussels.." [01:37]
acuzio The guy is a fucking clown of the highest order [01:51]
ricky_clarkson Should have left him dangling. [01:51]
ricky_clarkson wrt https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/stuck-zip-wire-boris-johnson-london-2012-olympics [01:52]
ricky_clarkson ricky_clarkson's title: "'Like a damp towel on a line': the day Boris Johnson got stuck on a zip wire | Olympic Games 2012 | The Guardian" [01:52]
ron acuzio: he's more of a clown than trump? [01:56]
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acuzio ron: Trump was never a clown and Bo Jo is also not a clown these are deeply cynical extremely smart human beings who know what they are doing [02:02]
acuzio And in other news https://www.gov.uk/return-home-voluntarily [02:02]
acuzio acuzio's title: "Get help to return home if you?re a migrant in the UK - GOV.UK" [02:02]
acuzio Are you fucking kidding me ? [02:02]
puppy_za are you going back to the US? :p [02:03]
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puppy_za I mean, they voted for Brexit and don't seem to like foreigners [02:04]
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acuzio well yeah [02:14]
mbooth "Go home, septics" [02:14]
acuzio pretty much [02:38]
puppy_za well, you bought a house and you are staying. That will show them! [02:38]
ricky_clarkson Britain could employ a 'can you make a passable cup of tea?' test to politely exclude Americans. [02:47]
acuzio I think that would show us foreigners [02:50]
puppy_za I think the brits notice it when they hear the accent [02:51]
ricky_clarkson I don't think we can tell by accent whether it's US or Canada, and we'd probably keep the canucks [02:52]
ricky_clarkson Some of them pretend to be British and win things at sports, like Greg Rosedski[sp?] back in the day [02:53]
ricky_clarkson also, commonwealth [02:53]
ricky_clarkson Canada even has Marks & Spencer, they're not a savage nation. [02:54]
puppy_za that's the flag of civilisation [02:54]
tang^ hooray [02:55]
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Faux jfc GME is out yeeting Buttcoin. [03:27]
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puppy_za my boss just messaged me to ask if I wanted to do a presentation at our monthly dev meeting tomorrow afternoon. He sent it at 9pm. [04:05]
puppy_za welcome to the world of work-from-home, I guess. [04:05]
ron 'no" [04:11]
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ricky_clarkson I asked that the Poland team try to give us easier-to-spell names. New guy: Wojciechowski [05:01]
ricky_clarkson I'll always think of him as Mike Wazowski from Monsters, Inc [05:02]
waz so several years ago I was going to the Miami Boatshow. Leaving the hotel I saw a couple of guys miss their ride and told them to get in my uber. They were vendors and asked if I had bought tickets yet.I hadn't so they gave me the badge from an employee that didn't make the show. Fortunately I never had to say 'my' name. [05:13]
waz Gerry Schilkdkraut [05:13]
ricky_clarkson Almost sounds like a made up derogatory name about the Germans from WWII [05:17]
fotato ah yes, gary sauerkraut, i know him well. [05:53]
ron https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerry-schildkraut-a9a3536/ [05:54]
ron ron's title: "Gerry Schildkraut - VP Production - Lenco Marine Inc. | LinkedIn" [05:54]
ron oh wow, hes been there quite a whie now [05:55]
ron while* [05:55]
ricky_clarkson since 1945? [05:55]
ron I think I'm gonna go die now for a little bit. [05:59]
tang^ okay [06:01]
waz he missed the boat show that year :) [06:02]
tang^ hah [06:03]
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ebullient https://twitter.com/hacks4pancakes/status/1354208901353373699?s=20 [06:40]
ebullient ebullient's title: "Lesley Carhart on Twitter: "Happy evening of the 26th. All of your production Linux servers are vulnerable, including your Linux SIFT Kit DFIR machines."" [06:40]
ebullient whee!! [06:40]
tang^ oh boy [06:52]
tang^ is there a reference to what she's referring to? [06:54]
ricky_clarkson Looks like a sudo exploit allowing escalation to root for unpriveleged users. [06:55]
ricky_clarkson but I haven't seen a link [06:56]
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tang^ https://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-research/2021/01/26/cve-2021-3156-heap-based-buffer-overflow-in-sudo-baron-samedit [07:21]
tang^ tang^'s title: "CVE-2021-3156: Heap-Based Buffer Overflow in Sudo (Baron Samedit) | Qualys Security Blog" [07:21]
tang^ I just got that link [07:22]
tang^ though it looks like it was released 6 hours ago [07:25]
db quite the thight disclosure schedule [07:26]
tang^ it's pretty serious [07:26]
db yes [07:26]
ebullient had to go have dinner, but yea.. that one [07:27]
ricky_clarkson I found myself democking code for a different reason now, mockito 1 doesn't work with kotlin suspend functions. [07:28]
ricky_clarkson Still, fewer mocks -> better code on average, so not too bad [07:28]
db I think we had that discussion about mockist/classic testing and I was defending a mockist position. I am currently on a project where they definitely went too far with the mockist approach.. like we'd find issues and be like "but wait there's a unit test for that" [07:32]
db "oh, the crucial part was mocked because it's not in the same service" [07:32]
db we found a sweet spot of mocking dependencies and only doing shallow integration tests which leaves lots of room for surprises :-D [07:33]
ricky_clarkson I think classist/whatever is better, but does enforce an order on how you build stuff. [07:35]
ricky_clarkson if your dependency is not yet implemented you probably need mocks or at least fakes, or you just need to work on the dependency first [07:35]
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db https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1fbQH0eB/FB_IMG_1611723039258.jpg [11:51]
db thailand be lke [11:51]
db *like [11:51]
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