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| Faux |
Morning. |
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| db |
morning! |
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| acuzio |
morning ladies |
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| Samian |
hey db remember how you said you were rooting for me? And I thought I nailed it? I'm reading a posts from many of people stating the same thing, and what's all in common was that the interviewers were Indian. Do you think there's a bias among indians to hire other indians? |
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| Faux |
Morning acuzio. |
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| db |
lol. |
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| Samian |
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-bias-among-Indians-of-hiring-other-Indian-workers-in-the-IT-industry |
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| acuzio |
ricky_clarkson: continuing from yesterday - , yes once Loom is Production ready , i would probly stop writing stuff like that ; i think its already pretty flaky to begin with and only for specific use-cases |
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| acuzio |
Faux: |
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| Samian |
"If you don?t believe this, look at it this way. If the interviewers are all Indian and they have the power to pick the candidate, and EVERYONE is Indian, how do you think it got that way?" one person states |
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| db |
Samian: I guess there will always be added sympathy towards "one of your own kind" but I wouldn't overthink it. |
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| Samian |
I think my last quote brings to light evidence of something fishy |
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| Samian |
it's statistics. Suppose everyone hired at a company is Indian, and it's not even close to the case that only indians are qualified. What are your chances of them hiring you if you aren't Indian? Close to 0 |
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| Faux |
jfc |
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| Faux |
You lost, get over it. You lost partially because you're a bad loser. |
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| acuzio |
Samian: you are a fucking knucklehead , when the others in the channel were saying this , i should have listened |
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| Samian |
no I'm not. I'm just entertaining my curiousity and reading other people's stories. |
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| Faux |
D |
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| Samian |
I'm just going to shutup |
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| Samian |
if anything maybe that quora.com thread is just a pool of people who've made excuses. Bottom linie I could have performed better. |
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| Samian |
The reason I asked in here is that I didn't make up my mind and was interested in what you guys think. My position is "I don't know why I got rejected" because they haven't told me. Everything is inconclusive speculation |
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| Faux |
You got rejected because they didn't think you were a perfectly shaped cog for their machine, either for social or technical reasons. Any justification they give is irrelevant. |
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| acuzio |
Ok , I will explain why what you are saying is beyond fucking stupid. Indians are over-represented in Tech because guess what the Indian Education system made a fucking conscious effort to build "I.T" staff. It started in earnest in the early 90's. At the outset a majority of the jobs being outsourced were boring, repetitive and in reality low-skilled. This peaked with the Y2K bug . And the |
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| acuzio |
post-internet boom era also led to the decimation of a lot of the outsourced IT workforce. |
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| acuzio |
Post this : The Indian companies got smarter and moved up the value chain and started concentrating on higher-end work for cheaper cost . This started bearing fruit around the early 2010's .. conversely as they moved up the chain the good ones moved out of the country and into Western Europe and the US. In many cases, the Indian companies bought out their American counterparts and they now |
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| acuzio |
outsource to other cheaper locations like Vietnam, Bulgaria, Romania, Philippines etc. |
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| acuzio |
And yes if you have heard this before, stop me now ; This is how capitalism works ; This has also happened in industries as diverse as Auto Manufacturing , Whisky production , High-end Fashion design. And yes I.T |
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| acuzio |
And as a final bonhomie : What Faux said , you simply are not of the shape of the right cog that they need. |
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| acuzio |
And as a personal suggestion Samian , if you want to get hired, get better. (Dont blame others especially on Xenophobic or racial tones when quite frankly other than White Men almost every other "class" of people has been historically opressed) ; And if you want motivation , remember the guy who first wrote the Chrome Browser Engine lived in a shed in Denmark with no internet connection (by |
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| acuzio |
choice) . Google fucking searched him out and accepted all his conditions to get him to work for them ; So yeah |
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| Samian |
acuzio when you say that what I'm saying is beyond fucking stupid, I didn't mean to "say" anything. I was asking the channel for opinions on this thread I was reading. I did not form the judgments or make the allegations made by others in that quora thread. They are not my judgments. They are not my allegations. And I'm not claiming they're right. I have a strong internal locus of control. |
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| Samian |
I beleive everything is ultimately my fault. I prefer view myself as a survivor than a victim. |
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| acuzio |
Samian: This is even worse , why the fuck should it matter what people think - none of us were there in the interview - you did it and now you are moaning about it and worse pointing to a fucking stupid Quora thread going "here are a bunch of assholes talking about Brown people in a biased manner , do you want to comment on that ?" ; Can you not see thats even worse ? |
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| db |
let's just conclude it's the Indian's fault! |
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| db |
next |
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| db |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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| acuzio |
db :-) |
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| Samian |
acuzio yes I see it now. I don't know what got into me. Reading that quora thread was a total waste of my time not to mention poison to my mind. I'm getting back to solving a projecteuler.net |
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| Samian |
problem |
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| AMcBain |
acuzio, Lars Bak? (First one I found from Denmark.) I don't see anything about a shed equivalent... I mean hunting down great talent that secluded itself does happen, but a little much embellishment? :P |
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| AMcBain |
Though as much as I dislike some of the total end result (Chrome and I don't really get along; it always seems to have issues) there is some cool stuff under the hood. |
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| AMcBain |
(Also they just fixed a bug I reported 3.5 years ago.) |
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| AMcBain |
but to be fair to Chrome, my new desktop has a ton of RAM so Firefox can't eat it all. :P |
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| acuzio |
AMcBain: Hmm , its in a book about the story of Chrome ; he doesnt live in a shed all the time , he was taking a break to think things over when Google searched him out |
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| AMcBain |
Ah. That might be why I can't seem to bring anything up on it. |
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| AMcBain |
but hey, if they have to go visit you to get in touch, then you know they really do want you for your skills. :) |
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| [twisti] |
reading anything on quora is a total waste of time |
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| acuzio |
AMcBain: Exactly :-) In fact there are stories like this across the board ; the GCC maintainer was hired by GS in a similar fashion , he was living off the grid as well. |
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| AMcBain |
"Just when I finally got away from it all, YOU come knocking at my door. Ugh. Fine." |
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| AMcBain |
I just have to rely on an accidentally "unprintable" resume. (I added a full bleed background stripe behind my contact info; 100% of all home and office printers will cut it off unless printed on oversized paper and trimmed down. Whoops.) |
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| AMcBain |
Unprintable margins are totally a thing. Oh well. |
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| acuzio |
The main committer on Apache Flink was not reachable and hired by Alibaba when they tracked him down Scuba diving |
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| AMcBain |
*dive radio* "We'd like to get in touch with you about an extended warranty--" 'No! Start over.' "OH, right, uh..." |
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| acuzio |
In our world the Orion Application Server team was tracked down by Oracle in Sweden ; they went to the house couldnt find the right person , so sat down outside the house ,, waiting , turns out he actually lived in the garage |
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| AMcBain |
Hm. I sense a pattern of eccentricity. |
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| acuzio |
yup :-) |
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| AMcBain |
I have a bit of being eclectic down but I'm not crazy good at anything. :P Probably just average. |
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| acuzio |
I have an abiding interest in what makes people successful and what i realised was that for the real _big_ Elon Musk, Bill Gates type success you have to be rich for at least 2 generations ; However in our field its possible to be _really_ successful if you have the smarts and most importantly the dedication to stick with it. The eccentricity helps in the dedication; you have to actively stop |
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| acuzio |
normal human interaction |
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| acuzio |
s/realised/the data points to |
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| acuzio |
Its the Peter Norvig 10,000 hours of practice (not sure if its Norvig or that other guy with the hair) |
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| AMcBain |
Google says Malcolm Gladwell. |
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| acuzio |
yeah the guy with the hair - |
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| acuzio |
Peter Norvig quoted it in his AIMA book |
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| AMcBain |
Who gave a talk on chunky spaghetti. |
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| AMcBain |
+ sauce |
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| acuzio |
Interestingly , there are a whole bunch of "unknown" multi-millionaires in the I.T field who are primarily in Academics who have done fundamental work in the field , started a small company , proved the concept and then cashed out and gone back to academics |
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| AMcBain |
They found the theory more interesting than the practical applications? |
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| acuzio |
I think its more like they proved the theory by implementing it at a small scale , had no interest in running a company to grow it and so sold it to FAANG or one of the other behemoths and went back to academics |
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| viraltaco_ |
o/ hoi |
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| Samian |
Now I must watch all of Lars Bak's talks on becoming a better programmer |
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| AMcBain facepalms. |
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| AMcBain |
The only thing I regret is not indulging in buying one of those Pi Picos on launch day because I get to see everyone else (well, not that many) already with one :P |
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| AMcBain got one today when Adafruit (re?) stocked. |
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| AMcBain |
s/got/ordered/ |
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| acuzio |
Interestingly , there is an over-representation of Indians in that specific subset of multi-millionaires doing academic research and cashing out as well , this includes fields like fibre optics, tcp/ip stack optimisation, re-inforcement learning in vision etc. .. They however cluster around MIT and Stanford. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
My group is probably mostly Indian or at least 50%, but I think that's a function of the subject area, supply chain/logistics. |
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| [twisti] |
so yesterday i bitched about our client company not following code conventions and us finally forbidding merge requests where linter and code style checking didnt run. wake up this morning to a commit of them just disabling all the rules. how the fuck can you still be this invested in spaces in 2021 |
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| ricky_clarkson |
It seems to be something that Indians study or take an interest in, ERPs, finance, all that, whereas Europeans and Americans seem to be more into pure code. |
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| AMcBain |
[twisti], any project that involves VisualStudio (and by that usually C#) invariably ends up with files that when opened ask to normalize the line endings and having me go "Well how did it get that way in the first place?!" |
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| acuzio |
ricky_clarkson: thats true to some extent ; as part of my abiding interest i have another data point , There is this university in India called "Indian Institute of Technology" and the competition to get in at the UG level is completely mad , we are talking 1 in a million type chances. There is insane levels of dedication by parents and children to get inside it ; I am talking 5 to 7 years of |
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| acuzio |
prep , as a result folks who come out from there at the top-level get picked by all the top companies and institutions , these people do "pure code" , fundamental research etc. "Fun" fact the PageRank algorithm was originally proven by one of the "Indian" professors as a way to rank search results |
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| acuzio |
60 minutes characterised the competition as "Those who cant get into IIT go to Harvard" - there is some truth to that . |
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| acuzio |
BTW , that PageRank algorithm story was told by Sergey Brin when the professor died |
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| nkm |
interesting |
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| ricky_clarkson |
acuzio: I believe I work with a couple of people like that, one who's great and the other not so much. |
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| acuzio |
ricky_clarkson: I work with a guy like that as well, he is one of the original contributors to kubernetes ; wicked smart, very sane , could do a lot better , is just comfortable with us. |
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| acuzio |
Mind you, the IIT competition is supposed to be for the B.Eng Comp Sci stream, thats where the cream ends up , there are other not-so-wanted streams as well which are "normal" |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Mine's probably not at that level, at least not very visibly. |
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| acuzio |
(this is just bad , we are referring to these guys like they are a poodle or something) |
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| ricky_clarkson |
My university back in the UK was for the ones who couldn't get into the average universities :/ |
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| acuzio |
Imperial ? or Oxbridge ? |
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| Faux |
Oh, UCL? |
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| Faux |
Lolling. |
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| Faux |
acuzio is serious. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Salford |
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| ricky_clarkson |
sounds like Stanford, the resemblance ends there |
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| acuzio |
what is Salford ? Is it up-naaaaarth ? |
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| Faux |
It's where the beeb shunted all their cheap employees to! |
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| ricky_clarkson |
yep, but the beeb is in a posh bit |
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| Faux |
Manchester's docks district. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
more isolated than posh really |
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| acuzio |
so outside Zone 3 then - i wouldnt know |
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| Faux |
Heh, was just looking at Manchester on a map and thinking "what a cute little town, none of this sprawling conurbation shit". |
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| ricky_clarkson |
My lecturers were mostly ex-maths ones, they chose CS over unemployment when the maths department downsized a year before I started there. |
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| Faux |
My uni isn't even top ten anymore, because Loughbrough is. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Some things were good but they really skimped on theory |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Faux: Manchester is deceptively large |
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| acuzio |
At some point in my life when I am a man of leisure i want to go and learn Math properly |
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| ricky_clarkson |
There are things like Sale, Altrincham, that don't officially count as Manchester, but 'are' |
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| Faux |
I think I've only ever been through Manchester because we got lost on a bus around Liverpool. |
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| acuzio |
ricky_clarkson: I have been to the gay district in the center where they make fantastic curry , it was about 10 minutes walk from the Train Station (or at least I think it was the gay district) |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Even Bolton and Bury are almost in it |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Ah, the vague illage |
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| Faux |
Yeah, I know it's a honking great city really. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I don't recall curry in the gay village |
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| ricky_clarkson |
be careful |
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| acuzio |
curry and beer |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I lived in Rusholme a couple of years, a couple of miles south of that, aka 'The Curry Mile' |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Fun little shithole |
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| acuzio |
or it might have been Thai Curry , fuck knows , it was a dude's pre-Stag do when they announced Civil Partnership here |
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| acuzio |
So a while back |
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| acuzio |
oh what fresh hell is this : https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-00c5-48ad-a8ee-0b9fd75554b0 |
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| acuzio |
acuzio's title: "Subscribe to read | Financial Times" |
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| ricky_clarkson |
The Chinatown is near the vague illage, that's likely to have non-Indian curries |
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| Faux |
It's called a paywall. |
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| AMcBain |
Oh, I was going to call it consequences. |
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| Faux |
Heh, better reply than I meant. |
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| AMcBain |
) |
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| Faux |
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A WALL AND .. WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT |
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| AMcBain |
...ANYMOOOOORE |
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| ricky_clarkson |
A wall built out of foreign trucks stuck in car parks |
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| AMcBain |
( |
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| AMcBain |
Less paywall? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/25/mastercard-to-raise-fees-to-eu-firms-by-500-percent-for-online-sales-to-uk-shoppers |
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| AMcBain |
AMcBain's title: "Mastercard to raise fees by at least 400% for EU firms selling to UK customers | Credit cards | The Guardian" |
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| sonOfRa |
I wonder in what fun ways this macbook "dock" I just bought is going to fail me! |
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| nkm |
what "IIT competition" ? |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I didn't realise the UK left the EEA, I thought it was only the EU |
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| sonOfRa |
What could possibly go wrong with an adapter by a company called "dodowin" |
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| nkm |
acuzio: ? |
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| acuzio |
(Mastercard has jacked up prices if you are buying from the EU) |
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| AMcBain |
sonOfRa, Would it be like the "Thunderbolt compatible" dock I got once for a laptop that had an incomplete Thunderbolt implementation? "Oh, I can charge. Brighten the screen!" *15s later* "Ah, I'm not not charging. Dim the screen!" *15s later* "Oh, I can charge. [...]" (repeat endlessly) |
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| acuzio |
nkm: Competition among students to join IIT |
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| nkm |
acuzio: oh, i might be missing some context |
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| AMcBain |
logs |
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| AMcBain |
channel logs can be found at http://javabot.evanchooly.com/ (Select the channel from the list on the left-hand side.) |
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| nkm |
that competition is called IIT-JEE btw |
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| [twisti] |
AMcBain: line endings get fucked up on accidents, 4/2 spaces is a choice |
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| sonOfRa |
What I would very much like to know is: If I buy one of those 2-pin docks, can I do power, HDMI, AND usb-c video over it? |
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| AMcBain |
[twisti], I dunno how on accident. Would seem to me if everyone is on Windows using VS, then how do line endings get flipped for only some lines? but yes, indent is explicit. |
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| sonOfRa |
But they all WON'T FUCKING TELL ME |
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| nkm |
what if you could provide grep commands to run on logs ? |
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| AMcBain |
Then it would mean someone spent more time on it. |
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| [twisti] |
AMcBain: i can answer that: copy and paste from a file with different line endings copies the different line ending as well |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I haven't noticed line endings differences in years. |
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| AMcBain |
I always see it on at least one file in any project using Visual Studio. I swear. |
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| AMcBain |
(VS has a popup when you open a file like that asking if you want to normalize it.) |
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| AMcBain |
I think that while [twisti] is right some can come from copying, I think some come in via some sort of auto-fix process in VS that gets used eventually by a programmer, but I've not bothered to track it down. |
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| [twisti] |
for code i havent seen it in a while either, but various meta files have popped up for us with cr/lf problems, for example one project uses a script to use mysqldump to (re)generate seed data for a test database |
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| acuzio |
nkm: yes JEE , i was referring to that ; |
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| AMcBain |
Well... 1am. Oops. Zz. |
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| nkm |
acuzio: the cream ends up in comp sci, because thats where the quick money is |
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| acuzio |
yeah - ., thats my understanding as well |
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| acuzio |
I am so happy because of this : https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/ex-brexit-party-mep-says-johnsons-deal-has-left-her-fishing-business-on-its-knees/25/01/ |
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| acuzio |
I hope she loses everything - everything , not just her business but everything; Fucking Bitch |
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| sonOfRa |
Refrain. |
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| nkm |
i eat the fish |
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| nkm |
"i eat the fish" |
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| [twisti] |
is it "this implements the feedback from <person>" or "feedback by" ? |
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| Faux |
I'd go with 'from', I think. 'by' might be okay. |
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| acuzio |
Feedback from <> |
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| acuzio |
I am going to find that fucking bitch lives and ensure she gets a gift package going "You won, get over it" |
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| sonOfRa |
Last chance |
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| acuzio |
sorry last chance for what ? am i missing something here |
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| db |
"gift package" "furious citizen arrested over internet bomb threat" |
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| sonOfRa |
You're missing that you're being a disgusting asshole again, apparently. |
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| acuzio |
No, i do mean a nice gift package with roses and things ; this woman would come on all the channels and her standard response was "I am in the industry and know how this works" ; After 4 years of telling her and everyone like her that she is making a mistake and taking the rest of us along with her . Now , 25 days , 25 days later she goes "we are on our knees , please help us". , condemning the |
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| acuzio |
rest of us for a whole generation if not more. |
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| Faux |
They've been asking for a good deal for years! She's very explicit, it's someone else's fault that they got a bad deal. |
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| mbooth |
"Oven ready" |
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| sonOfRa |
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Why are journalists so bad a journalisting |
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| sonOfRa |
Handelsblatt (german economic newspaper) published an article leading with "AstraZeneca could only be 8% efficacious in >65 age group" |
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| sonOfRa |
So what happened? They read a scientific publication wrong (8% of the participants in the study to *check* the efficacy were IN THAT AGE GROUP) |
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| db |
finally we know the truth! |
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| acuzio |
The reason this particular woman riles me up is because i met her. I was at the "Second referendum" march and this woman and her cohorts were standing in the corner jeering at the "remoaners" , and this specific person brought a real fish painted in the UK colors to show "British" Fish |
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| acuzio |
People forget but from 2016 till 2020 all of these "British patriots" almost continuously said "You are not behind the country ; You lost, get over it ; Liberal Scum etc etc." And look now , I think its only fair that people like me should clap when these people lose their livelihood |
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| Faux |
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1353999453028577280 |
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| Faux |
Faux's title: "Alex Wickham on Twitter: "NEW: The German Health Ministry has DENIED the Handelsblatt report claiming the AstraZeneca vaccine had only 8% efficacy for over-65s
They say there has been confusion and 8% actually refers to the number of peop..." |
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| sonOfRa |
Faux: yup, see above. Still no retraction. |
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| puppy_za |
so what is it? |
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| puppy_za |
also, how trustworthy is Handelsblatt? |
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| sonOfRa |
They're an economic newspaper. |
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| sonOfRa |
You'd think they'd be able to read fucking percentages |
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| puppy_za |
I used to think that but sometimes it's more the journalists (major in humanity / english) who are interested in finance, rather than the economists, writing the articles. But again if it passes the editors then someone needs to get fired. |
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| sonOfRa |
Of course it is. |
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| sonOfRa |
The rules is: Read any article about tech. Realize how terrible it is. |
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| sonOfRa |
Then realize that it's not going to be any better in other fields, it just seems to you that way because you're not an expert in that field. |
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| puppy_za |
yeah |
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| puppy_za |
if journalism is better paid then there might be more experts to do it :p |
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| db |
puppy_za: yeah but fuck those news portals which want money or have me turn off the ad blocker! I rather get my news from facebook. sad! |
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| sonOfRa |
If you're gonna install a paywall, at least paywall the fucking headlines and leads as well |
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| db |
right, spiegel plus my ass |
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| puppy_za |
lol |
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| puppy_za |
they can not bait you if there is no headline |
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| sonOfRa |
Man that's not good. The kebab shop that's ~50m from our house is actually *good* |
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| db |
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/l4ws93/app_suspended_from_google_play_for_listing |
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| db |
db's title: "App suspended from Google Play for listing supported subtitle formats - one of which was the ASS format : programming" |
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| sonOfRa |
So I'm biased in this because I work for the company, but would you consider "companies that specialize in providing access to a limited good (aka concert tickets)" getting contracts to provide infrastructure to reserve slots for vaccination appointments, a bad thing? |
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| puppy_za |
yes |
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| sonOfRa |
Okay, why, and who else should do it instead? |
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| db |
https://youtu.be/I-OOpZitfd0 |
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| db |
db's title: "Every Single Scandinavian Crime Drama - YouTube" |
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| puppy_za |
sonOfRa: ok it's a bit harsh to say it's a bad thing, but is the said company familiar with fair distribution? |
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| sonOfRa |
Well, for now, you're only eligible for a slot anyways if you are part of certain groups anyways |
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| puppy_za |
true |
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| puppy_za |
I mean if I am a person who is outside the group and wants to be vaccinated, I would definitely call you guys. :p |
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| puppy_za |
although I guess you guys also know how to prevent vaccine scrapping |
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| sonOfRa |
We don't do vaccine distribution at all. We only let people sign up for appointments to receive a vaccine |
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| puppy_za |
oh then it should be fine |
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| puppy_za |
then the company knows how to handle large traffic (if people are rushing to register) |
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| BluesBoy |
sonOfRa: considering that there are so many problems with people getting appointments maybe the state should leave it to someone more experienced |
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| sonOfRa |
Okay, but *who* is more experienced at "connect a person to a time slot for a limited commodity" than ticket sale companies? |
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| BluesBoy |
and what happens when there is more vaccine available, and there is even more people wanting it |
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| sonOfRa |
Again, we're not setting the appointments for the vaccines, the government says "here's how many people we can vaccinate per day, and here's how long each slot takes". The result is then a web site where you can register a time slot |
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| BluesBoy |
I can't think of anyoune else more experinced and equiped |
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| db |
I figure the difficult part would be to determine who is eligible? how does that work? |
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| db |
oh or is it just by age for now? |
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| waz |
our county is using a ticketing/event system, works well |
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| sonOfRa |
It's mostly age, but also some workers (retirement homes etc) can get vaccinated |
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| BluesBoy |
its age for now |
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| fotato |
Presumably easy enough to scan a photo ID to verify identity. There are third party services which do this. |
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| sonOfRa |
It's a multi-step process, first you verify your identity and thus your eligibility, and then you can select an available slot |
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| sonOfRa |
Right now, there are... no slots :D |
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| fotato |
I reckon age is the biggest determinant and any specific circumstances would either ?be very sure and bring supporting documentation? or they?re not a target demographic and vaccinated on-site (I.e medical workers who are already in a hospital) |
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| sonOfRa |
https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&text=80%20Jahre%20oder%20%C3%A4lter%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20einer%20Einrichtung%20der%20ambulanten%20oder%20station%C3%A4ren%20Altenpflege%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20der%20Notfallrettung%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20der%20spezialisierten%20ambulanten%20Palliativversorgung%0A%0AT%C3%A4tig%20in%20einer%20medizinischen%20Einrichtung%2C%20in%20der%20prim%C3%A4r%20onkologische%2C%20immunsupprimierte%20oder%20dialysepflic |
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| sonOfRa |
htige%20Patienten%20behandelt%20werden%20oder%20in%20der%20f%C3%BCr%20eine%20Infektion%20mit%20dem%20Coronavirus%20SARS-CoV-2%20relevante%20aerosolgenerierende%20T%C3%A4tigkeiten%20i.S.d.%20%C2%A7%202%20CoronaImpf-VO%20durchgef%C3%BChrt%20werden&op=translate that's what the website says right now for eligibility |
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| fotato |
SonOfRa is your company organising vaccination slots? I missed the specific chatter but that seems to be the implication |
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| sonOfRa |
Translates URLs are long, apparently |
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| fotato |
wow nice url |
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| Diablo-D3 |
thehell |
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| sonOfRa |
fotato: yeah. A lot of people are angry about this, and I personally am not, for obvious reasons, but I was wondering if I was missing something |
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| fotato |
I mean. Why would they be angry |
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| fotato |
are you charging? Are the slots transferable? |
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| sonOfRa |
No, and no |
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| sonOfRa |
They just don't like the company, because in general, ticket companies are shady |
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| fotato |
So what?s the argument |
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| fotato |
hrm |
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| sonOfRa |
There are obviously some shitty things the company did (and tries), but... who else would do this kind of software, and quickly? |
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| fotato |
I mean TM really can go fuck themselves. |
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| BluesBoy |
and it was way better when the people were trying for hours to reach someone on the phone or access some goverment website that couldn't handle the load |
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| fotato |
I imagine Facebook or google could have a decent crack at it |
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| fotato |
But the arguments against them doing it are even more compelling |
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| fotato |
event companies pretty much have this system already in place. It makes sense. |
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| fotato |
I?d have gone with something like Eventbrite tho. It has a friendlier public image. |
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| Diablo-D3 |
""If Java is the anal sex of software platforms, because it works on anything, then Electron certainly is oral. In the end you still have tears in your eyes."" |
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| fotato |
I got sent some market research about a product TM were developing. A loyalty points system where going to shows and buying food/Merch got you points which you could use to bid for a better chance to get a ticket to an event |
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| fotato |
fair, somewhat okay concept. |
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| fotato |
Except you can trade, and buy, points. |
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| Diablo-D3 |
oohohohohohho |
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| fotato |
The sliders could not go red enough. |
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| Diablo-D3 |
https://github.com/xemantic/java-2-times-faster-than-c |
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| Diablo-D3 |
Diablo-D3's title: "GitHub - xemantic/java-2-times-faster-than-c: An experiment showing double performance of the code running on JVM comparing to equivalent native C code" |
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| db |
sonOfRa: they should have askes the makers of PC-wahl instead |
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| db |
*asked |
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| sonOfRa |
I had managed to forget about that. |
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| mbooth |
Hah https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20210117/FLXATT4LKVBGVEBRLAECJPTCHM/ |
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| mbooth |
mbooth's title: "As Adobe Flash stops running, so do some railroads in China ? Apple Daily" |
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| mbooth |
Just goes to show, programmers will always find the worst possible way to use any given tool. |
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| mbooth |
Fuckin' programmers |
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| Diablo-D3 |
worse is, china was told about 10 years ago to change |
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| sonOfRa |
proud of my mom for calling me and asking "what was that site where you can check if someone stole your password again?" <3 |
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| mbooth |
passport.gov.de.legitimate.domain.cc/enter_password_details.cgi?payload=secure.exe |
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| ron |
morning |
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| fotato |
ronning. |
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| fotato |
Waz. I found something I wanted to share with you. Hang on. /me finds again |
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| fotato |
https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/l2obb2/floridians_how_do_you_feel_about_the_florida_man/ |
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| fotato |
Some amazing anecdotes in there. |
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| waz |
haha |
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| fotato |
All of the format ?eh I mean I kinda get it. This one time.... ? |
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| ron |
I'm starting to think mountain lions in Colorado are Florida's gators. |
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| fotato |
I have a mountain lion story! |
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| fotato |
Hiking one day, hear a yowling lion... pretty close. Don?t see it tho. A little concerned. Stop for a while and listen, not sure if I should double back instead of follow the loop through. Eventually see someone come up the trail the other way so figure it?s mostly safe to proceed. |
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| fotato |
Mention it to a friend |
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| fotato |
While talking the next day |
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| fotato |
he responds with a link. ?This trail?? - it has been closed due to aggressive mountain lion behaviour. |
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| ron |
gj fotato |
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| fotato |
Well it wasn?t closed when I hiked it. |
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| fotato |
It was closed the next day |
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| ron |
just saw a post in next ddor about a mountain lion sighting in a front lawn of a house in a nearby neighborhood |
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| fotato |
friend of mine recorded a porcupine just kinda doing its thing on his street when lockdown was being taken more seriously. |
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| fotato |
They wobble a surprising amount. |
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| waz |
I'd guess gators are a little more predictable and avoidable than mountain lions |
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| fotato |
Yeah, gators don?t stalk their prey |
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| sonOfRa |
Probably somewhat easier to fight off and get away from, too? Gators, that is |
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| waz |
Had about a 6 ft one that wasn't scared of people in a lake I lived on. |
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| fotato |
ambush predators vs ... the other thing. |
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| waz |
it'd come hoping for a handout. I had to 'train' it to be afraid of people |
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| ron |
yeah, they managed to scare it off and... it cllimbed on a nearby tree ???? |
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| fotato |
SonOfRa: if a gator has you in its jaws I mean good fuckin luck. But yes you can basically walk away from them. |
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| waz |
eventually it left that lake |
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| ron |
also, not a fan of the name 'mountain lion' |
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| sonOfRa |
fotato: just be brave and hold its mouth shut! |
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| ron |
not-a-lion |
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| waz |
saw is a few years later and it was massive |
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| sonOfRa |
I am led to believe they have a hard time opening, but an easy time closing their mouths |
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| fotato |
Ron: they live in mountains and they roar. |
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| sonOfRa |
Would I die when meeting an alligator? Betting pool's open! |
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| ron |
fotato: yes, but not lions |
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| ron |
why not use the oh so many other names? |
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| mbooth |
fotato: And hunt young men |
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| mbooth |
Oh wait, I'm thinking of cougars |
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| ron |
same thing |
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| waz |
Big gators are rarely a surprise encounter. |
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| fotato |
I dunno I think they favour very young or old or injured. |
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| ron |
mountain lions are cougars |
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| ron |
as are pumas |
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| fotato |
Cougars like men in their prime. Which make for risky prey |
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| ron |
and puma is a much cooler name than 'mountain lion' |
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| fotato |
it?s a bad analogy |
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| fotato |
Ron you?re just biased |
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| ron |
a bit yes |
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| fotato |
your puma isn?t even a car |
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| fotato |
er |
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| fotato |
cat |
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| ron |
she's not a car either |
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| ron |
so it's ok |
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| ron |
nor a shoe |
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| fotato |
I think there was a Ford puma |
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| fotato |
it was quite nice looking |
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| ron |
nou |
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| fotato |
aw tybb |
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| fotato |
There?s talk of it returning as a crossover sport coupe thing |
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| fotato |
They kinda ruined it. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28194880/ford-puma-euro-crossover-photos-info/ |
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| fotato |
fotato's title: "2020 Ford Puma ? New Small Crossover" |
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| fotato |
> Ford says the Puma has "seductive" styling and a fun-to-drive character; while we don't exactly feel seduced, it does look like a nice package. |
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| fotato |
hurrrrrr |
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| ron |
"probably coming to the US" |
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| fotato |
yeah that article can?t make its mind up eh |
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| ron |
yay it's snowing |
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| whaley |
go make it yellow snow |
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| ron |
that's milo's job |
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| sonOfRa |
I wish we got snow :( We got an ever so slight dusting on sunday, but it all melted after like 2 hours |
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| ron |
I wish |
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| sonOfRa |
Yeah, I get that. I was pretty happy to have *no snow* when I first moved here. Shoveling snow sucks. |
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| ron |
that ^ |
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| ron |
and as much as milo loves snow, that's not something he does :-/ |
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| sonOfRa |
Worst thing is my parents home is on a corner lot, so you have extra-much snow to shovel! |
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| fotato |
GUESS WHERE RON LIVES |
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| ron |
yup... |
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| sonOfRa |
My condolences. It's lovely when you're done shoveling, and looking at the far end of the lot, and can basically start over! |
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| ron |
oh, no, it's different here |
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| ron |
you need to shover within 24 hours of when it stopped snowing |
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| ron |
er |
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| ron |
shovel |
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| sonOfRa |
It's a county-ish level thing here, and it's mostly like "shovel within 1 hour of the snowfall stopping, if necessary multiple times a day" |
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| ron |
pfft, fuck that |
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| sonOfRa |
And it has to be snow-free-ish between 6 (7, 8, 9 in some places) until 9pm usually |
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| scav |
can't remember the last time i felt rain, or could see non-white stuff on the ground |
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| scav |
weather bergen norway |
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| scav |
Weather for Bergen, Norway | 27 F (-2 C) | humidity at 93 | broken clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:52:57 +0100 |
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| ron |
we don't get much rain here |
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| nkm |
move to india |
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| ron |
why |
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| nkm |
for rain |
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| nkm |
and you will also bring prosperity |
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| ron |
did I say I want rain? |
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| whaley |
weather sandy's bottom |
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| whaley |
Weather for 242 Retreat Village, St Simons, GA 31522, USA | 69 F (20 C) | humidity at 88 | scattered clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:00:57 -0500 |
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| whaley |
weather sandy bottom |
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| whaley |
Weather for Sandy Bottom Nature Park, 1255 Big Bethel Rd, Hampton, VA 23666, USA | 41 F (5 C) | humidity at 100 | overcast clouds | Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:01:11 -0500 |
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| acuzio |
ping |
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| acuzio |
You rang, m'lord? |
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| acuzio |
Faux: RUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
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| tang^ |
so you go to Georgia to find Sandy? |
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| acuzio |
who the fuck is going to Georgia ? |
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| ron |
you are acuzio |
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| fotato |
sandy. you came and you gave without taking |
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| fotato |
but i send you away |
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| whaley |
acuzio: have you ever been to georgia? |
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| tang^ |
the devil went down to georgia |
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| mbooth |
Pfft, like acuzio would lower himself |
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| acuzio |
whaley: I have been ., yes. |
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| acuzio |
for 3 days |
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| whaley |
tang^: <3 |
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| acuzio |
For some reason my laptop is losing connection all the time |
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| mbooth |
Have you looked behind the fridge? Quite often lost things end up there |
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| nkm |
mbooth: we should have a sensor behind fridge, if any thing falls there it should beep :P |
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| tang^ |
and keep beeping |
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| tang^ |
until you tear the kitchen apart looking for that damned beeping noise |
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| mbooth |
Or the inverse, an "everything's okay" alarm until something is suddenly lost |
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| acuzio |
yes thank you mbooth |
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| acuzio |
BTW , what news did Bo Jo make Faux |
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| fotato |
Bojo makes news for Faux? |
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| acuzio |
well yeah ,, havent you heard - Faux is like royal |
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| Faux |
He made news that we gonn die and shouldn't fly internationally. |
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| acuzio |
And thats news ?? |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Which 'we' is that, the plebs, the political class or everyone? |
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| acuzio |
plebs of coure- not the Brexity ones - just the sane ones |
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| ricky_clarkson |
"Jan 4, 2021 ? Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced Monday that he will travel to Brussels.." |
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| acuzio |
The guy is a fucking clown of the highest order |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Should have left him dangling. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
wrt https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/16/stuck-zip-wire-boris-johnson-london-2012-olympics |
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| ricky_clarkson |
ricky_clarkson's title: "'Like a damp towel on a line': the day Boris Johnson got stuck on a zip wire | Olympic Games 2012 | The Guardian" |
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| ron |
acuzio: he's more of a clown than trump? |
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| acuzio |
ron: Trump was never a clown and Bo Jo is also not a clown these are deeply cynical extremely smart human beings who know what they are doing |
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| acuzio |
And in other news https://www.gov.uk/return-home-voluntarily |
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| acuzio |
acuzio's title: "Get help to return home if you?re a migrant in the UK - GOV.UK" |
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| acuzio |
Are you fucking kidding me ? |
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| puppy_za |
are you going back to the US? :p |
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| puppy_za |
I mean, they voted for Brexit and don't seem to like foreigners |
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| acuzio |
well yeah |
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| mbooth |
"Go home, septics" |
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| acuzio |
pretty much |
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| puppy_za |
well, you bought a house and you are staying. That will show them! |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Britain could employ a 'can you make a passable cup of tea?' test to politely exclude Americans. |
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| acuzio |
I think that would show us foreigners |
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| puppy_za |
I think the brits notice it when they hear the accent |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I don't think we can tell by accent whether it's US or Canada, and we'd probably keep the canucks |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Some of them pretend to be British and win things at sports, like Greg Rosedski[sp?] back in the day |
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| ricky_clarkson |
also, commonwealth |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Canada even has Marks & Spencer, they're not a savage nation. |
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| puppy_za |
that's the flag of civilisation |
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| tang^ |
hooray |
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| Faux |
jfc GME is out yeeting Buttcoin. |
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| puppy_za |
my boss just messaged me to ask if I wanted to do a presentation at our monthly dev meeting tomorrow afternoon. He sent it at 9pm. |
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| puppy_za |
welcome to the world of work-from-home, I guess. |
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| ron |
'no" |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I asked that the Poland team try to give us easier-to-spell names. New guy: Wojciechowski |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I'll always think of him as Mike Wazowski from Monsters, Inc |
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| waz |
so several years ago I was going to the Miami Boatshow. Leaving the hotel I saw a couple of guys miss their ride and told them to get in my uber. They were vendors and asked if I had bought tickets yet.I hadn't so they gave me the badge from an employee that didn't make the show. Fortunately I never had to say 'my' name. |
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| waz |
Gerry Schilkdkraut |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Almost sounds like a made up derogatory name about the Germans from WWII |
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| fotato |
ah yes, gary sauerkraut, i know him well. |
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| ron |
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerry-schildkraut-a9a3536/ |
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| ron |
ron's title: "Gerry Schildkraut - VP Production - Lenco Marine Inc. | LinkedIn" |
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| ron |
oh wow, hes been there quite a whie now |
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| ron |
while* |
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| ricky_clarkson |
since 1945? |
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| ron |
I think I'm gonna go die now for a little bit. |
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| tang^ |
okay |
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| waz |
he missed the boat show that year :) |
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| tang^ |
hah |
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| ebullient |
https://twitter.com/hacks4pancakes/status/1354208901353373699?s=20 |
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| ebullient |
ebullient's title: "Lesley Carhart on Twitter: "Happy evening of the 26th. All of your production Linux servers are vulnerable, including your Linux SIFT Kit DFIR machines."" |
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| ebullient |
whee!! |
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| tang^ |
oh boy |
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| tang^ |
is there a reference to what she's referring to? |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Looks like a sudo exploit allowing escalation to root for unpriveleged users. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
but I haven't seen a link |
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| tang^ |
https://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-research/2021/01/26/cve-2021-3156-heap-based-buffer-overflow-in-sudo-baron-samedit |
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| tang^ |
tang^'s title: "CVE-2021-3156: Heap-Based Buffer Overflow in Sudo (Baron Samedit) | Qualys Security Blog" |
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| tang^ |
I just got that link |
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| tang^ |
though it looks like it was released 6 hours ago |
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| db |
quite the thight disclosure schedule |
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| tang^ |
it's pretty serious |
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| db |
yes |
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| ebullient |
had to go have dinner, but yea.. that one |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I found myself democking code for a different reason now, mockito 1 doesn't work with kotlin suspend functions. |
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| ricky_clarkson |
Still, fewer mocks -> better code on average, so not too bad |
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| db |
I think we had that discussion about mockist/classic testing and I was defending a mockist position. I am currently on a project where they definitely went too far with the mockist approach.. like we'd find issues and be like "but wait there's a unit test for that" |
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| db |
"oh, the crucial part was mocked because it's not in the same service" |
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| db |
we found a sweet spot of mocking dependencies and only doing shallow integration tests which leaves lots of room for surprises :-D |
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| ricky_clarkson |
I think classist/whatever is better, but does enforce an order on how you build stuff. |
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if your dependency is not yet implemented you probably need mocks or at least fakes, or you just need to work on the dependency first |
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| db |
https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1fbQH0eB/FB_IMG_1611723039258.jpg |
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| db |
thailand be lke |
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| db |
*like |
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