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AMcBain ) [12:05]
AMcBain Yeah I should have stopped working a while ago but distractions and this bug... which when fixed revealed another bug. [12:05]
AMcBain and now TypeScript is complaining that my copy paste doesn't work because the types are different from the original. [12:05]
AMcBain Ah. Curse of the any[]. It assumed something else because of that. [12:06]
AMcBain Ran single test. Fixed test. Test passes. Run full suite... that test fails. F%^&. [12:37]
AMcBain More TS fun. VS Code says my code passes, the build script says it doesn't. [02:21]
db I mean that happens all the time with maven and eclipse. [02:22]
AMcBain heh [02:22]
AMcBain Here I did a type check for a param that could have two different types: const isThing = typeof ...; The first line to use isThing passed fine. The second didn't, at least in the build script anyway. VS Code was fine with it in both places. :( [02:23]
AMcBain If I move up one of them (not inline it) then it complains about both. Quite odd. [02:27]
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puppy_za morning [03:45]
scav i love long meetings [06:36]
scav i get paid for doing literally nothing and i can spend my time relaxing my mind [06:36]
scav i though typescript decorators ran every time i called a function, apparently not? [06:45]
db idk man I find coding more relaxing. I tend to not being able to focus on meetings and drift into sort of an unsatisfying half-dream state. [07:33]
db And then if someone asks me something, I don't know what to say. [07:33]
db "uh, I guess so!" [07:33]
scav remote, i can just blame the mic or what ever :D [07:36]
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acuzio morning ladies [10:07]
scav morning [10:08]
acuzio scav: [10:08]
yawkat acuzio: [10:11]
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scav yawkat: [10:24]
puppy_za hi [10:24]
scav just a couple of weeks until norway and GB starts sharing electricity [10:24]
freeone3000 ah, the UK can finally shut down those coal plants [10:25]
scav no, we need them! [10:25]
puppy_za how do you share? [10:25]
scav there is talk about rationing in norway :D [10:25]
puppy_za hi freeone3000 [10:25]
freeone3000 you share with big cables [10:25]
scav our dams are pretty much empty [10:25]
scav we have 0 solar, 1% wind, 99% hydro and there just isn't anything left to hydro [10:26]
puppy_za nuclear - the low carbon energy option that almost everyone is afraid to talk about :P [10:26]
puppy_za maybe except France [10:26]
puppy_za oh and Russia [10:27]
scav im all for nuclear, and norway is so stable there are no good arguments against it really [10:27]
puppy_za funny that we actually produce uranium in SA but we only have a mickey mouse nuclear station [10:28]
puppy_za people are like "no one wants nuclear waste" but do they want global warming? [10:29]
scav don't say that out load, or DEMOCRACY will arrive and sanction your asses [10:29]
puppy_za well one day we have to make the hard choice unless cold fusion is real [10:30]
puppy_za or becomes real [10:30]
puppy_za I have been reading about "cold fusion will become a reality in 5 years time" in the past 20 years [10:31]
cheeser how will we ever reach peak Godzilla without nuclear waste? [10:31]
puppy_za I will try to feed them with GMO corn [10:32]
puppy_za it feels like we are in a perpetuating crisis mode. [10:34]
freeone3000 nuclear waste is less radioactive than coal smoke [10:40]
Faux I do like the end of https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ [10:40]
scav freeone3000: but does it provide as many jobs?! [10:44]
freeone3000 the jobs are imaginary! we can just pay people to do nothing! [10:44]
freeone3000 I mean, we mostly do [10:45]
freeone3000 but we could *explicitly* do that [10:45]
scav we understand that, 99% of the population don't [10:45]
scav haha Faux [10:46]
freeone3000 I just found https://chairish.com/ and I am mad [10:48]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Chairish | For Chic And Unique Homes" [10:48]
db chairesque [10:49]
sonOfRa yeah imma pay 2000 dollars for a shitty looking chair [10:51]
sonOfRa Now I'm mad, too [10:51]
freeone3000 (it sounds like "cherish") [10:52]
Faux Thought it was going to be a reference to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXW-QjBsruE [10:52]
Faux Faux's title: "Do Chairs Exist? - YouTube" [10:52]
yawkat https://www.chairish.com/product/3365757/pair-of-custom-barrel-back-armchairs-in-leopard-velvet [10:52]
freeone3000 https://www.chairish.com/product/2242346/gueridon-by-alessandro-on-new-york THE PRICE [10:54]
yawkat and it's not even real tortoise! [10:56]
puppy_za freeone3000: but if you sign up their news letter, you get $20 off! [10:57]
db yawkat: it's just $5800 for the set. [11:03]
db What do you expect [11:04]
puppy_za it's pre-owned. What a steal! [11:04]
freeone3000 I could buy like fifty-eight turtles for that [11:04]
db Looks like a painted IKEA Lack [11:05]
db Those are like $10 [11:05]
scav wow decorators in typescript are really nice for adding metrics and audit logging :o [11:59]
Faux class only, the fuckers. [12:00]
Faux And classes are banned. [12:00]
scav we use classes to wrap database stuff [12:00]
freeone3000 oh my fucking god one of our source repositories exists as a git repo on a cifs share [12:05]
sonOfRa remotes can be on the local filesystem! [12:08]
sonOfRa Just mount the share [12:08]
tang^ given the work microsoft put into optimizing large file systems, I'm not surprised [12:10]
scav this looks interesting, and is probably irrelevant to all of you! :D https://mediacitybergen.no/events/future-week-21/measure-your-city/ [12:11]
freeone3000 the cifs share is only accessible from corpnet, not vpn. *sigh* [12:19]
freeone3000 also cifs has some outstanding performance issues with file locking? which you'd think would be important for git? [12:20]
tang^ isn't there a git plugin to counter that? [12:22]
freeone3000 ah. there is. cool. [12:26]
sonOfRa freeone3000: Oh you want to actually use the *working tree* on the cifs? [12:28]
freeone3000 that's how it's set up [12:28]
freeone3000 maybe I should... clone from the cifs and treat it as a remote [12:28]
freeone3000 because git allows you to have a directory as a remote. right. [12:29]
sonOfRa yes [12:29]
sonOfRa I mean if others are using the repo as a working copy anyways, then you're kinda screwed because that's kinda fucked [12:29]
tang^ yes [12:32]
acuzio Has anyone had a situation where they have spoken so much that their throat is dry [01:34]
acuzio despite drinking copious amounts of liquid [01:34]
acuzio (water ., i meant water when i said liquid) [01:34]
tang^ yeah, sure [01:35]
acuzio In other news, I got given another whammy today - "You are not spending any time with me" - no not Her (though its coming) but one of our Sales Head [01:37]
freeone3000 yes. secondhand tip from a voice actor: barley tea with honey. [01:38]
acuzio I have 15 minute meetings with people (i simply dont have more time than that) and this senior guy who is a fucking senior position goes "You are ignoring me, and not spending any time with me" ;;; [01:38]
acuzio I am like "what the fuck" ., my answer that i wanted to give was "You dont add any value" but that would have been impolite [01:39]
acuzio Barley Tea ? [01:39]
acuzio The hell is Barley Tea [01:40]
acuzio <----------- goes to google it [01:40]
tang^ tea. made with barley [01:40]
AMcBain Can it be steeped? Tea. Can it be fermented? Alcohol. :P The two categories humanity inevitably slots everything into. :D [03:59]
AMcBain Huh. I dunno who was looking for the keyboard with a rotary encoder knob, but apparently there's a laptop that ships with one. ASUS ProArt Studiobook [04:01]
Diablo-D3 AMcBain: obv, avoid asus products [04:03]
Diablo-D3 but also, if you *really* want a good keeb, just... plug a keeb into a laptop, and Im aware thats a shitty solution [04:03]
freeone3000 Why is that in any way obvious [04:03]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: because, generally, you dont want your house on fire [04:03]
AMcBain I see a pattern. *someone mentions something* *Diablo shits on it* [04:03]
Diablo-D3 asus irritates me especially [04:04]
tang^ oh, is that what happened? [04:04]
AMcBain Cool. That's your opinion, not a fact. [04:04]
Diablo-D3 they went from actually being good, just expensive, to just... universally being absolutely fucking shit [04:04]
Diablo-D3 I wish it was my opinion [04:04]
Diablo-D3 the world would be a better place if a lot of things were just my opinion [04:05]
Diablo-D3 asus fucks customers hard, and then gaslights them over it [04:05]
Diablo-D3 theres a reason why the rest of asus basically split themselves out by force [04:05]
Diablo-D3 like, are you a company and have your shit fabbed by pegatron? you're fine, your shits no worse than anybody else [04:06]
Faux I suspect tang^ is in the cool kids club with me. [04:07]
tang^ Faux: oh I hope so [04:07]
Diablo-D3 do you have your stuff designed by asrock, or are you a consumer who buys asrock branded stuff? you're still fine, its like the old asus of yore [04:07]
Diablo-D3 slap asus on any product, its now one of the worst, buggiest, shittiest, and one of the most expensive products in literally every goddamned category [04:08]
AMcBain So, uh, why don't you start your own computer store? You seem to have enough opinions about that. [04:08]
Diablo-D3 no, the modern variant of that would be a youtube channel, and ugh, I've thought about it, but its really not worth the effort [04:09]
Diablo-D3 theres a few legit content creators that have zero chill, and it hasnt changed the industry t all [04:09]
AMcBain I dunno, GN got a company to recall and replace a riser board. [04:10]
AMcBain That was a fire hazard. [04:10]
Diablo-D3 yup, and they fucked the first recall too [04:10]
AMcBain Faux, I don't know what club that is, I've never been in it. :P [04:10]
Diablo-D3 <3 GN though, Steve is a ballsy fucker [04:10]
Faux It is the "D3 on ignore" club. You're welcome to join. [04:11]
Diablo-D3 but yeah, the whole rotary encoder on keebs is a really new thing, you maaaay want to consider just getting a stand alone one [04:11]
AMcBain Oh I don't need one, someone in here a while ago (freeone?) was asking about one. [04:11]
AMcBain I can get third party standalone things with knobs but I'm not sure they'd work with the tools I use or what I'd use them for in those tools. [04:12]
AMcBain Also kinda need Inkscape to stop crashing when I undo a change involving a guide first. [04:12]
Diablo-D3 as far as I know, they just show up as standard hid mice [04:12]
Diablo-D3 so turning it is like scrolling a mouse wheel [04:13]
Diablo-D3 except its the horizontal axis thats virtually never used on mice [04:13]
AMcBain hopes the crash fix makes it into 1.1.1 [04:13]
AMcBain I had one once that let you scroll horizontally. [04:13]
Diablo-D3 yeah, I had exactly one too, long before gamer mice were a thing [04:14]
AMcBain Inkscape just lets you scroll horizontally by holding shift. So I do that. [04:14]
Diablo-D3 Ive seen flighsticks that have a thumb-ball where a hat would normally go [04:15]
Diablo-D3 and it just does both axis as a wheel (since the wheel isnt an analog or digital value, its just clicking buttons as you turn it) [04:16]
Diablo-D3 btw, I wonder why more people don't remap their mice the way I do [04:20]
Diablo-D3 the middle click action tends to either be already shitty (wheel sometimes travels during middle click), or just stops clicking (shit off the wheel gets into the middle click switch, but doesn't get into the wheel up/down switches) [04:21]
Diablo-D3 so I remap it to primary thumb [04:21]
freeone3000 asrock qa is the absolute worst [04:36]
freeone3000 nearly a 3% failure rate on their boards. if all asus is doing is taking the asrock boards and testing them to bring it down to 1% that's worth the upcharge. [04:37]
AMcBain An update on the WebStorm thing... so that turned out pretty poorly. Team continues to forge ahead with it, but one of the security people decided it was a risk and would require further approval up the chain, and that person said no. That was 8 days ago and nobody thought to tell me; I guess hoping I'd remember to check the ticket I wasn't tagged in. Lovely limbo I'm in. [05:26]
AMcBain Ah, apparently nobody thought to send me that it was OK now. [05:39]
AMcBain Still no answer on reimbursement. Asked on question, that turned into two, and only got the second one answered. [05:39]
freeone3000 https://twitter.com/i/events/1438584462443352075 PPFFFFTTT [06:05]
freeone3000 these are terrible names [06:05]
freeone3000 pokemon reject names [06:05]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: asrock rack is pretty solid from what Ive seen [06:13]
Diablo-D3 freeone3000: problem is, among consumer shit, Ive seen more complaints from asus mobo owners than asrock ones [06:13]
Diablo-D3 like, everyone got upgradeitis due to covid, every single asus story has ended in "and then I had to rma it at least once" [06:14]
Diablo-D3 with variants involving "and they blamed me, or tried to claim it was out of warranty, or sent literally the same board back saying no fault", etc [06:14]
Diablo-D3 asus is clearly in the "fuck around" stage, with "find out" around the corner [06:15]
freeone3000 i finally watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuFizITMdA and holy heck someone get this guy a rotovap [06:28]
freeone3000 freeone3000's title: "Turning cotton balls into cotton candy - YouTube" [06:28]
Diablo-D3 I dont even need to click to know thats nilered [06:31]
freeone3000 have you tried *granulating* the sugar [06:36]
AMcBain freeone3000, yeah I don't get why they needed new names; like what's to market here? It's not like for some rare disease only certain people get or something... or an OTC med. [07:04]
freeone3000 I suppose they're banking on future years where the subsidies have ran out and they'll be able to advertise them on tv competitively [07:20]
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AMcBain Wish the US at least would ban that. [09:53]
AMcBain The UK did, afaik. [09:54]
db ban what? [09:57]
AMcBain Advertising of drugs. [09:59]
AMcBain TV, billboards, whatever. [09:59]
AMcBain Make the product cheaper and better instead of wasting it on telling me how I'll feel amazing running through a springtime field while they spend 30s rattling off all the disclaimers and side-effects as fast as possible. [10:00]
AMcBain It would also cut down on people coming in to their PCPs and demanding things, too, that may have no bearing on what they actually have. [10:01]
db oh. I think that's banned almost everywhere but in the US. [10:03]
AMcBain Exactly [10:04]
db at least prescription drugs [10:05]
AMcBain Eh, why not all of them? :) [10:05]
freeone3000 Well, some OTCs are useful. Like rogaine. It works, and it works best if you're just starting hair loss. [10:10]
freeone3000 And there's a lot of stuff that isn't QUITE a drug but works like a drug. [10:11]
freeone3000 And honestly, I'd prefer if more ads were for physical products that can be purchased instead of MLM cryptoscams [10:12]
AMcBain In college someone taking the same degree tried to get me into an MLM. I checked out a tiny tad before I realized what it was and told they should stay away, but I don't think they listened. [10:14]
AMcBain It was pitched to me as a gig to build a website... it just happened, as I found out after talking with someone, that website was my own, to sell the stuff I got from them. [10:14]
db https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil#Mechanism_of_action [10:23]
db Rogaine. [10:23]
AMcBain "The mechanism by which minoxidil promotes hair growth is not fully understood." Science! [10:26]
db yeah I rather stay bald. [10:27]
AMcBain Assuming my mother's father is any indication I should keep my hair. Certainly not the same as now or my 20s, but well enough. :) but whatever happens I'll just go with it. [10:28]
db my mother's father was no indication. my father was. [10:30]
AMcBain Supposedly it comes down from the mother's side is what I had thought, but I've never really followed up on that to verify it's true. My dad still has his hair so I think I'm doing good regardless. :) [10:31]
AMcBain but it'll definitely turn gray; already started. [10:31]
db my mother's father left earth with a full head of white hair when he was 76 or so. [10:34]
AMcBain If mine turned full white that'd be amazing. I could get some gel or something and try to do the mad scientist look for Halloween. [10:35]
AMcBain I could do an easy (ish; minus the white hair) Philo from UHF this year... I have longer hair. Would have to shave into a goatee though. [10:38]
db I could do Dr. Evil, or Captain Picard :-) [10:40]
AMcBain "Today we're going to learn to make plutonium from common household items." [10:40]
AMcBain Oh, nice. [10:40]
db that reminds me of that yt channel I found [10:41]
db https://www.youtube.com/c/NileRed [10:41]
db he makes cyanide; smoking nitric acid; distills sulfuric acid... bromine... all the good stuff. [10:42]
db I can watch stuff like that for hours. [10:42]
AMcBain In theory I know how to make a "napalm" equivalent. Just never needed to. :P It's just plain gasoline and styrofoam as a gelling agent, basically. [10:45]
AMcBain Which is why those cheap styro cups should never be used as funnels. [10:46]
AMcBain Gah. Was running the full UI test suite in the background on my work laptop and something died so it printed out a fuckton of stacktrace, obliterating any chance I'd know what caused it, and killing everything so I don't even get a report table of the progress. [11:00]