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Faux No no, the body needs toxic fumes in order to develop the immune system. If you take the away the fumes, which are the natural state of things in america, then the body won't develop properly. [01:08]
Faux Well known facts. [01:09]
Faux jfc software [02:55]
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freeone3000 Why do we even have software [04:20]
Faux If we didn't, people would live stress free existences and live forever, which is bad for the planet. [04:21]
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puppy_za apparently "not listening to (Fed) government" is consider a virtue in those parts of the USA [04:46]
puppy_za then once hospital is full, "why is the Federal government not doing everything it can to help us?" [04:47]
puppy_za maybe that's why God just flooded the earth and pressed Restart [04:48]
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Samian Any opinions on using freenode for day job dev team chat? [05:34]
Samian worth a try? or better to keep irc and day job separate? [05:35]
freeone3000 If it's not an OSS project it's outside of the remit. [05:35]
freeone3000 Use slack like a normal person. [05:35]
Samian last I recall, slack didn't have good logging. I like irc because I can search text in the log files fast. [05:36]
Samian and I could scroll up fast... [05:36]
Samian isn't slack like teams? if you scroll up, it takes a sec to load. [05:36]
freeone3000 But it doesn't have gifs, or custom emoji. [05:36]
Samian teams = microsoft teams [05:37]
freeone3000 No. That is a particular teams... "Feature" [05:37]
Samian yup slack is like MS Teams. It loads as you scroll up.. It doesn't preload that much either. That's an annoyance [05:38]
freeone3000 But if people are offline, you can still send them a message that they can read. [05:38]
freeone3000 And, no gifs on IRC. [05:39]
Samian which is a good thing [05:39]
freeone3000 Nope! You need gifs and custom emoji. These are the two most important features for a work messenger to have. [05:39]
Samian gifs and graphics distract from substance. I'd prefer 100% text and use a company imgur account for links to screenshots. [05:40]
freeone3000 This is on top of voice chat, calendar integration, presence notifications, and asynchronous messaging, which are basically assumed at this point. [05:40]
waz slack has great logging, if you pay for it [05:42]
waz al sorts of legal compliances built into it [05:42]
Samian [2021:03:07:03:38:58] <freeone3000> But if people are offline, you can still send them a message that they can read. <-- The channel could have a company logging bot, with the log shown in the company's dev site [05:42]
freeone3000 (you can't not pay for teams, so ours is just as good, but there's no free tier like there is for slack) [05:43]
freeone3000 (oh. Yes there is. Nevermind.) [05:44]
freeone3000 Samian: nope, that is not going to work for normal people. [05:44]
Samian email sucks too. Those email chains are so redundant and disorganized. And when reading a email from start finish, you start at the top of the bottom email, then the top of the second bottom email, then top of the third bottom email... SERIOUSLY!? [05:44]
freeone3000 You will not displace email. [05:45]
Samian email chains are a disaster [05:45]
Faux Work have pretty much failed at email, many people will never see an email, some people check once a week and miss most. [05:45]
freeone3000 You're thinking like a programmer instead of a normal person. Spend your capital on things that matter. [05:45]
freeone3000 I check my email once a week! If it's important they message me on teams. [05:45]
Faux I don't, if it's important my manager will remind me. [05:46]
freeone3000 Turns out very few things are important enough to let me know personally, and most things actually can wait a week. [05:46]
Samian freeone3000 yeah you're right. slack it is [05:47]
Samian 's dream of his new dev team using irc has been trashed :-( [05:47]
freeone3000 I still get stuff like company- and division-wide announcements through email, and required training announcements and so on. If I *never* checked my email, I might still think I was in AI+R over C+E. [05:47]
Faux We couldn't do irc; mostly threads and force inviting people, and clients which "handle" hundreds of channels. [05:48]
freeone3000 We couldn't do IRC as nobody knows how to admin ComixChat anymore :( [05:48]
Samian yeah slack isn't so bad. I'll just get the paid version with larger preloading [05:49]
Samian what about telegram? I think telegram is better [05:49]
Faux Than what? Slack? [05:49]
freeone3000 At what? Organizing an orgy? Mailing a NYT reporter? [05:50]
Samian yes, from what I recall. but okay point taken. No irc [05:50]
Samian freeone3000 better == larger preloaded backlog and faster text search through history [05:50]
freeone3000 Requires mobile phone for sign-up, no on-prem option. No go. [05:51]
Faux Ooh, I hadn't thought about Slack doing on prem. [05:55]
Faux Work are happy with anything that supports okta/auth0. [05:55]
freeone3000 Good news! They're now the same company! [05:55]
Faux Indeed. :| [05:55]
freeone3000 I don't think I've ever seen a stock drop 20% out of *spite* before. [05:56]
freeone3000 I'm still a bit unclear on what they do -- is it federated Active Directory access for people who don't speak Microsoft? [05:58]
Faux I'm unclear what AD does so I don't know. [05:59]
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Faux They are an identity provider like oauth. [05:59]
freeone3000 Uh, in this case, provides user authorization without disclosing user details. [05:59]
freeone3000 Okay, yeah. [05:59]
fotato We bought both Okta and auth0. Because we are a sensible company with teams that communicate. [06:00]
Faux At work we call them an idp. [06:00]
Faux A very anaemic wikipedia article makes me think we are wrong. [06:00]
Faux fotato: We're possibly worse; we "resell" auth0 but use okta internally. [06:00]
fotato ?AuthN as a service? seems about right. [06:01]
fotato That?s sort of what we do, Faux. Auth0 is used for our public apis. [06:01]
freeone3000 Back when I was allowed to run Linux (joking), I ran IDP as part of IdM on CentOS. But the clear limitations were that it was unsafe to run beyond a network boundary. [06:01]
fotato ?Identity? is such an overloaded word. [06:02]
fotato (Hi I can?t sleep. Apparently neither can The Texan) [06:02]
Faux Fun fact, I am reasonably competent at this stuff and still have to look up which of the concepts is authorisation and which is authentication. [06:03]
Faux Like with definition and declaration. [06:03]
freeone3000 One takes an ADAL token and the other takes a TGT, obviously. :P [06:03]
fotato Faux: it?s not clear cut anyway. JWT is?. Sort of both. [06:04]
Faux I realise that this makes me sound like a complete idiot. I should just postit note them to my monitor. [06:04]
freeone3000 +1 to post-it notes. I had the alphabet taped to the bottom of my monitor for over a year. [06:05]
fotato But broadly speaking N is ?I am who I say I am? and Z is ?yes I can do this? [06:05]
fotato the? alphabet? Why? [06:05]
Faux Assuming you're not playing a joke on me, I am fully aware of that. >.> [06:05]
Faux 'cos people keep asking. [06:05]
fotato Lol [06:05]
freeone3000 Fotato: so I could remember what order the letters went in [06:05]
Faux Haha, we try and do our standups in alphabetical order and it's a complete disaster every day. [06:05]
Faux One of my standups has a team named "bull" and another named "bolt". [06:06]
fotato I do them in a completely arbitrary order when I?m taking them. [06:06]
Faux Next postit note, the spelling of febrsurabrary and the difference between avoir and etre. [06:06]
freeone3000 (I had to alphabetize headers as part of a C++ style guide, but there were also layering reqs. After two months I wrote a tool to do it automatically.) [06:06]
fotato Yeah surprised that wasn?t baked into your IDE already. [06:07]
freeone3000 C++. Tooling sucks. [06:07]
fotato S/Tooling // [06:07]
Faux s/c++// [06:07]
Faux IntelliJ still haven't fixed that bug whereby their config writer deadlocks when they accidentally call it on the AWT ui thread. [06:08]
fotato [06:10]
fotato fotato's title: "FBI Uncovers Contact Between Trump White House and Proud Boys - Rolling Stone" [06:10]
fotato nope nope still false flag liberal antifa [06:10]
freeone3000 I'm kind of amazed the last time I messed with an FPGA was a Xilinx A7 in college on the latest Windows OA, XP, and that since then... Nothing has changed. [06:27]
freeone3000 I really don't know what I'm doing. It'll be fun to learn. [06:30]
Faux What are you doing? [06:31]
Faux I have some of the dev kits but never really used them; was temporarily looking at them for radio signal paths before realising that, like, no, don't do that. [06:31]
Faux (SDRs are amazing, even the ones derived from TV receivers.) [06:33]
freeone3000 Was going to make some heat make me some money by doing an encoding of a BOINC project into a coprocessor. BHspin looks small enough to fit. [06:38]
freeone3000 If that fails, well, it can run script. [06:38]
freeone3000 *scrypt. [06:39]
freeone3000 So a CPLD would be right out: if I only needed SHA, I'd just buy those as individual ASICs. [06:40]
freeone3000 Not expecting exceptional performance: even if it fails terribly, the vhdl can be fabbed if needed. [06:44]
Faux Mm. Doesn't feel like the kind of thing that would be enough of a speedup. Yeah. [06:45]
acuzio morning ladies [07:03]
acuzio BTW , there is some deep sadness on the retirement of the Honorable Nigel Farage from British Politics ; I mean now that his dream has come true , he has decided to take time off to bask in the glory that is Brexit. God Bless him [07:06]
Faux I think literally mentioning politics counts as politics, acuzio. [07:07]
Faux My Wintendo Steam drive seems to have failed; even the manufacturer Smart tool prints "UNKNOWN ERROR", despite the drive being partially writable. [07:07]
acuzio Whats a Wintendo Steam Drive ? [07:08]
Faux That other OS that I have installed to play steam games, it has its own drive for games, so when the OS shits itself, I don't have to re-download all the games. [07:08]
acuzio fairy muff [07:09]
acuzio has anyone noticed that amazon seems to embraced the Materia design theme , the flat icon "revolution" is underway [07:10]
Faux They're slow, aren't they? Apple have gone back to bubbles. [07:10]
acuzio I dont do Apple - so dont know really , but my desktop is MateriaKDE and this was a _not_ unpleasant surprise , i am still not 100% onboard though [07:11]
acuzio The flat look on the desktop however does make it look quite "spacey" ; i dont know what else is the word for it. [07:24]
acuzio In other news, The Kid is getting tested on Monday or Tuesday , schools starting over the next week , glad for him , Kids in general should not be confined to their houses , aint good for them [07:25]
acuzio Question : Have you folks got any suggestions for _large_ open source changing datasets ? datasets that can be streamed would be a plus - [07:30]
mbooth acuzio: You could listen to the Fedora Linux project infrastructure message bus: [07:40]
mbooth mbooth's title: "Fedora Infrastructure Message Bus ? Fedora Messaging documentation" [07:40]
mbooth I think Debian project has similar [07:40]
mbooth Query historical data with datagrepper: [07:41]
mbooth Live feed of the infra message bus: [07:41]
waz shit, this second vaccine shot is brutal [07:42]
acuzio waz: [07:44]
acuzio mbooth: :+1 , TIL ; I am going to take a look [07:44]
mbooth acuzio: Obviously higher live traffic on working days, but there is a LOT of historical data [07:45]
acuzio I will have to play with it but as a starting point it looks interesting [07:46]
mbooth acuzio: And it runs on zeromq underneath, IIRC, so should be easy to connect using language bindings of your choice [07:46]
acuzio i love zeromq. (implemented it with C++ bindings in days gone by) - only problem was the scalability but thats neither here nor there [07:47]
acuzio (and is down) [07:48]
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waz I like zmq too. Currently stuck in IoT land where mqtt reigns [07:55]
waz most of my high volume stuff has always been activeMQ [07:55]
acuzio MQTT is king in the IoT world especially in the Automotive sector [07:57]
waz it's working suprisingly well [08:03]
waz mostly we're using emqx as our broker now [08:03]
acuzio Mosquitto [08:05]
acuzio I meant we are using Eclipse Mosquitto as the broker , heard good thingsabout emqx [08:06]
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fotato freeone3000: Spotify is playing me new kings of Leon. I blame you. [10:01]
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acuzio Why are the "Kings of Leon" back in news ? Is this the NFT thing ? [10:06]
Faux Maybe they made a new album. [10:06]
Faux acuzio: Github is available as a whole through bigquery. [10:07]
Faux has some other weird examples. [10:07]
acuzio Faux: :+1 [10:15]
fotato you're not even typing it correctly for slack. [10:17]
fotato alsocan't you type emoji on your keyboard? [10:17]
fotato ?? [10:17]
fotato ffs this keyboard is double firingt he spacebar [10:18]
mbooth looking_lustily_at_fotato_emoji: [10:28]
mbooth Damn, there isn't one for that [10:28]
fotato mbooth: hay gurl [10:28]
mbooth Jeezus, how big is that IKEA set of drawers? [10:33]
Faux Yes. [10:33]
fotato i see you've found a picture of my tool. [10:34]
fotato in more "what year is it" news, there's a new James single. [10:34]
Faux Can't wait for the next SOPHIE single. [10:35]
fotato it appears to be a protest song castigating america. [10:35]
fotato and bemoaning the pandemic [10:36]
mbooth The lowest hanging fruit of protest topics then [10:36]
fotato We're stuck in this cage/You're rigging the game/I'm folding, my whites have all run blue/We're stuck in this cage/You're rigging the game/I'm folding, your white robe's showing through [10:37]
fotato Tell me/Who's more woke than who/Who's more broke than who/Disunited States/They want a boogaloo with you [10:37]
waz We use mosquitto a good bit but it supports the latest mqtt protocol very poorly [10:49]
fotato > When you move or resize Slack, we assume you are indeed trying to move or resize it [11:58]
Faux I wish we could do anything in under a second. [11:59]
acuzio waz: Aye - ., we found that as well ; however the folks we work with (large , luxury automotive manufacturer , starting with the letter B and ending in W) is more interested in stability and backwards compat than the latest and greatest [12:02]
acuzio fotato: I did think :+1 is an expected slackism [12:02]
fotato it needs a closing : [12:04]
acuzio yes of course... [12:10]
fotato (you've been typing it like this a lot) [12:10]
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freeone3000 Oh, really? Because their iDrive system replaced buttons with a touchscreen and started my most-hated trend in motoring. [12:32]
fotato bmw? they have like all the buttons. [12:33]
fotato there's a row of soft-programmable buttons in all their cars which you can make do anything,. [12:33]
fotato hell, your last complaint about bmw was that they had too many buttons. [12:34]
waz apparently they push freeone3000 a lot [12:34]
freeone3000 I do not believe that would have been *my* complaint about BMW. [12:34]
fotato seriously. [12:34]
fotato also, unless you're talking about 2021 models, i dont know a single bmw with an actual touchscreen. [12:34]
fotato the idrive system is a giant knob in the console, which is sometimes touch sensitive. [12:35]
freeone3000 My issue is that they use modal menus and a 5" display in a car interface. [12:35]
fotato (hurr giant knobs) [12:35]
fotato honestly i dont recall having to go into a modal menu to do anything in my m135. [12:36]
fotato [12:37]
freeone3000 Mm. Perfection. [12:37]
fotato mine had the larger screen. it wasnt a touchscreen and didnt have android auto or carplay [12:38]
fotato but the idrive knob had a trackpad i could use to scribble on [12:38]
fotato but seriously last time i showed you that pic you were like 'reee too many buttons' [12:41]
freeone3000 No? I drove a G37x, the car with one button per car function? [12:42]
fotato i'm so confused, and i dont have logs. [12:42]
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