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dreamreal morning [06:42]
CodeGeek bah humbug [06:47]
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dreamreal bugs only hum because they don't know the words! [06:48]
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Joro Hi, I'm stuck with jshell, when I try to read user input using system.in, CTRL+D doesn't terminate the input. Is this a bug or am I missing something? My searches end up in a completely different direction and I don't know how to find out what should I use to terminate the input, could someone help? [08:42]
Joro To slarify, I'm not using it to execute scripts, but to try out stuff inside the REPL [08:43]
cheeser what do you mean when you say "terminate the input?" [08:45]
Joro Files.copy(System.in, Paths.get("test")) [08:46]
Joro this should copy the standard input to a file named test [08:47]
Joro and at one point the input should be terminated with EOF, but CTRL-D doesn't seem to work in this situation [08:47]
cheeser hrm. well, if you just open jshell directly and don't redirect a file or command output in to it, stdin won't ever end [08:52]
cheeser ctrl-d, iirc, is more of a shell thing and so has no context outside of that setting. [08:52]
Joro CTRL-D/CTRL-Z is a unified way to input the special symbol EOF which signals the end of any file, it's not a shell thing, it's universal thing. [08:54]
Joro However, on second thought, this might be prohibited to avoid closing System.in [08:54]
Joro I mean, if I run the same thing in Eclipse or just write a simple class, the program ends with the end of input, but in jshell that's not the case [08:55]
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dreamreal could be [08:55]
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Joro nah, if I write a simple class with two of those lines, it doesn't close System.in the first time, so that's not the case [09:03]
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[twisti] this should definitely be added to the linkedlist factoid https://xkcd.com/2483/ [09:52]
[twisti] [twisti]'s title: "xkcd: Linked List Interview Problem" [09:52]
dreamreal linkedlist [09:55]
dreamreal LinkedList in Java is almost always slower than ArrayList and ArrayDeque; prefer those to LinkedList (ArrayDeque has O(1) for insert-at-beginning and is otherwise better in nearly every way, for example.) See http://javachannel.org/posts/linkedlist-vs-arraylist/ - even its creator doesn't use it https://twitter.com/joshbloch/status/583813919019573248 [09:55]
dreamreal hmm, we may not have room. [09:55]
dreamreal Does bit.ly preserve generated links forever? [09:55]
[twisti] no idea [09:56]
dreamreal forget linkedlist [09:57]
dreamreal I forgot about linkedlist, dreamreal. [09:57]
dreamreal linkedlist is <reply> [09:58]
dreamreal OK, dreamreal. [09:58]
dreamreal damn it [09:58]
dreamreal forget linkedlist [09:58]
dreamreal I forgot about linkedlist, dreamreal. [09:58]
dreamreal linkedlist is <reply>LinkedList in Java is almost always slower than ArrayList and ArrayDeque; prefer those to LinkedList (ArrayDeque has O(1) for insert-at-beginning and is otherwise better in nearly every way, for example.) See https://bit.ly/3eMGkwW - even its creator doesn't use it https://bit.ly/3eL4pnM . XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2483/ [09:59]
dreamreal OK, dreamreal. [09:59]
dreamreal forget linkedlist [09:59]
dreamreal I forgot about linkedlist, dreamreal. [09:59]
dreamreal linkedlist is <reply>LinkedList in Java is almost always slower than ArrayList and ArrayDeque; prefer those to LinkedList (ArrayDeque has O(1) for insert-at-beginning and is otherwise better in nearly every way, for example.) See https://bit.ly/3eMGkwW - even its creator doesn't use it https://bit.ly/3ybuh41 . XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2483/ [10:00]
dreamreal OK, dreamreal. [10:00]
dreamreal Better? [10:00]
[twisti] much [10:01]
dreamreal incidentally, you have just as much access to fixing factoids as I do [10:01]
dreamreal not that I mind doing it, but you might be better at it than I am [10:02]
cheeser <whisper>could hardly be worse</whisper> [10:02]
[twisti] right, but i also have the smarts to trick minions to do that kind of manual labor [10:02]
[twisti] D [10:02]
dreamreal jep 8263693 [10:03]
dreamreal 'JEP draft: InetAddress host name and address lookup service provider interface' can be found at http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/8263693 [10:03]
cheeser i kinda hate that they're numbering JEPs based on the issue ID but it makes sense. [10:08]
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Bombe Urgh. Every time I try to create some small application with Spring Boot it keeps throwing stuff at me and refuses to ?simply work.? Is there something comparable? Mostly looking for something that hides SQL from me and can create a REST server. [12:21]
CodeGeek I would say use whatever you're familiar with [12:23]
CodeGeek many people can do a Spring Boot app that will "hide SQL and provide a REST client" [12:24]
Bombe Yeah, Spring Boot is the one I am most familiar with but it still manages to piss me off all the time. [12:26]
Bombe Like, I have 25 tests, they all run in the IDE but _one_ refuses to run from Gradle. [12:27]
dreamreal consider dropwizard or quarkus, both of which are rough equivalents in functionality [12:28]
cheeser quarkus > springboot :) [12:30]
tang^ that's, like, your opinion, man [12:30]
Bombe Of those two, Quarkus is the newer one, right? [12:30]
tang^ yeah [12:30]
tang^ and some of the devs hang out here [12:30]
Bombe Alright, giving that a try, thanks. [12:30]
cheeser yeah. DW is super old [12:31]
Bombe is in his mid-40s and desperately trying to stay relevant so new stuff it is! [12:31]
cheeser if you're over 23, you don't matter. sorry. [12:32]
Bombe '( [12:32]
tang^ used to be 29 when you had to do the Run [12:32]
Bombe Should I learn COBOL or FORTRAN next? [12:33]
tang^ both are still pretty popular [12:33]
tang^ though Microsoft might be pushing F# over FORTRAN [12:33]
tang^ but definitely lotta demand for COBOL these days [12:33]
odinsbane There's the HttpServer, that was added in java 1.6... So that's pretty recent. [12:34]
Bombe Wait, 1._6_? When tf did that come out? [12:35]
Bombe I don?t think I?m ready for that yet. [12:36]
tang^ you know what? just jump into 16 (no dot) [12:36]
odinsbane 2006 [12:38]
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CodeGeek Java is the new COBOL [12:58]
cheeser "it would be nice to have that kind of job security." [12:58]
tang^ no it ain't... cause COBOL is still COBOL [12:58]
CodeGeek yes, but COBOL is the old COBOL [12:59]
tang^ look man, my head is already hurting from this docker/ansible/traefik mess I'm trying to sort out. don't you add to it [01:00]
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Tenchi[m] what? no keycloak? [02:02]
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tang^ oh geez... my project is already too big without adding SSO [02:16]
cheeser it's one annotation! [02:17]
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sbalmos keycloak's tenancy stuff is still very weird if you ultimately want to have multiple tenants with the same configuratino [02:27]
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Tenchi[m] @Deprecated [02:33]
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sbalmos SSO is deprecated? :D [02:38]
Tenchi[m] powerful annotation, right? [02:40]
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CodeGeek deprecates Tenchi[m] [03:24]
cheeser forRemoval = true [03:24]
sbalmos @SuppressWarnings("cheeser") [03:26]
cheeser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbevJM-2lcY [03:27]
cheeser cheeser's title: "Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Can't Hold Us (Lyrics) ft. Ray Dalton - YouTube" [03:27]
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juliaEnv Hi [07:28]
juliaEnv I have implemented a custom Predicate class that tests if a message has arrived after another message. It looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/xfCBt0e.png [07:29]
juliaEnv when used together with another custom predicate, I do: Predicate<Message> testing = new AfterPredicate(scenarioStep1).and(new ContainsPredicate("name", "Peter")); [07:29]
juliaEnv because of using Predicate.and(Predicate), Java creates a lambda. So, testing is now a lambda Predicate that executes AfterPredicate & ContainsPredicate [07:31]
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juliaEnv and here is the problem: how do I execute if (testing instanceof AfterPredicate) ? I need to execute this to know if the testing lambda contains an AfterPredicate in order to call setMessage on the predicate. [07:32]
juliaEnv is it possible in Java 13+ to test the predicate lambda for the exact classes that it has as its constructor? It's supposed to be arg1 AfterPredicate, arg2 ContainsPredicate [07:33]
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fizzie There's definitely no guarantee the Predicate#and default method must always be implemented using a lambda expression. It could return anything as long as it does what it promises. [07:35]
fizzie (Not that there's any particularly reasonable way to inspect what a lambda was made out, though maybe with a ridiculous amount of reflection you could dig up the two predicates it keeps a reference to to evaluate. Just saying you can't assume anything about how it's built.) [07:38]
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juliaEnv fizzie is there any way to check if arg0 of the composite predicate is an instance of AfterPredicate? [07:42]
juliaEnv fizzie the IntelliJ debugger somehow knows https://i.imgur.com/AoF1lmN.png but I can't figure out what reflection APi to use to infer the same that the IntelliJ debugger infers (arg AfterPredicate, arg ContainsPredicate) [07:43]
fizzie You could use your own custom `IntrospectableAndPredicate<T>` class that implements test() as `return first.test() && second.test();` but also provides facilities for that. But it's probably a bad idea. As for the one that comes out of Predicate#and, no, and again, it doesn't need to even *have* an "arg0". [07:43]
fizzie Yes, you could probably use the reflection APIs to iterate over all fields of the object. But anything you built would be designed for a specific implementation of Predicate#and, and not guaranteed to work if that changes. [07:44]
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fizzie (Unless you want to start guessing. Like, look for any two fields of the right type. But there's absolutely no way you could determine which one's going to be evaluated first.) [07:44]
juliaEnv fizzie yes, and Intellij knows the type inreferences of args in its debugger (it reflects properly). But when I call testing.getClass() and check out its fields, I only get the Predicate type out of there. It never tells me AfterPredicate or ContainsPredicate. What's wrong with it? [07:45]
juliaEnv https://i.imgur.com/AoF1lmN.png here IntelliJ knows AfterPredicate and ContainsPredicate are the 2 args of testing. [07:46]
fizzie What specifically do you mean by "check out its fields"? (But this all sounds very dubious.) [07:46]
juliaEnv fizzie https://i.imgur.com/YyTKuOh.png (here, I check out its fields and IntelliJ no longer knows the types. It thinks they are only generic Predicate types) [07:46]
fizzie Well, because that *is* the declared type of the fields. [07:47]
fizzie If you want to find out the types of the objects referenced by the values of the fields, you'll need to get those values and see. [07:47]
juliaEnv fizzie perfect. Please suggest which API gives the types of the objects referenced by the values of the fields [07:49]
fizzie Get the value of the field with .get() -- which might involve changing the access control -- and call .getClass() on the value? But this is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute. [07:50]
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juliaEnv fizzie I'm lost. How do I get the value of the field with get()? [07:57]
juliaEnv fizzie here are some options from the list: https://i.imgur.com/AdTJnDs.png [07:57]
fizzie Field has a method called get(); you give it an instance of the object it's a field of, and it returns the value. But you need to make it accessible first if it's not public. [07:58]
fizzie Something along the lines of `Field f = testing.getClass().getDeclaredFields()[0]; f.setAccessible(true); f.get(testing).getClass()` has a chance of returning AfterPredicate.class. But I feel like I shouldn't be saying this. Are you seriously going to do this in a context that's *not* debugging? [07:58]
juliaEnv fizzie there is get() on Field, but it wants an Object argument [07:59]
fizzie Yes, like I just said, that's the instance of the object you want the value of that field out of. [08:00]
juliaEnv fizzie it works! Thank you so much. You're a genius! [08:04]
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trolly hi all. i am really having a difficult time understanding some lower level details of MongoRepository in spring-data. i created a stackoverflow question but no feedback yet. really hoping someone could give me some insight. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68385553/memory-usage-with-spring-data-mongorepository-streams [10:31]
trolly i am basically trying to understand what the memory usage looks like when a Stream is returned from a MongoRepository and what the network traffic looks like. [10:32]
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