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rgr If I have a data set defined thus : private data class Customer(val name: String, val email: String) [06:19]
rgr what is the syntax to create and initalise a few elements in a List? eg val customerList = List<Customer>(** WHAT GOES HERE TO CREATE A COUPLE OF LIST ELEMENST**); [06:20]
rgr oh got it. [06:21]
rgr correction, no I havent [06:22]
rgr aargh. listOf not List. sorry. [06:22]
yawkat there is no special syntax [06:24]
rgr there of course is. [06:44]
Addax for what? invoking listOf? [06:50]
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Bombe rgr, that?s not syntax, that?s library. [07:34]
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yawkat they left btw [07:36]
Addax We don't care, we're going to talk to his or her ghost for a few hours, and I fully plan to rant about his lack of response [07:38]
Addax I mean, duh [07:38]
yawkat wouldnt expect anything less! [07:38]
Addax D [07:38]
Addax I wonder... if I bake gender fluidity into a book, would people notice, and if they did, would they see the humor... [07:39]
Addax "Annie won't be able to use his credentials to check on Frank's data..." [07:39]
Addax (actually a typo on the co-author's part, but I am considering leaving it because it's funny to me) [07:41]
Addax (odd artifact: they switched examples' names' gender every reference, so it's female/male/female/male... and coincidentally did the same thing for roles, so it's always admin/user, where the females are *always* admin-type roles and males are always rank and file) [07:42]
Addax (THAT I left alone: I don't care.) [07:42]
yawkat even better: point it out on the internet, generate pointless discussion, free publicity. [07:44]
yawkat im sure some people will be mad. [07:44]
Addax ... although it does kinda irk me that I notice that and *wonder* if it might be significant to some readers. My decision ended up being "screw it, if they want to see it as a blow for feminism, they're going to be chasing shadows no matter what" [07:45]
Addax yeah, I think it's more annoying that it's a POSSIBLE data point than anything else [07:45]
Addax I think it'd have bothered me had we left every identity as male, but after that, I don't care at all [07:45]
Addax but ... you know, pointing it out MIGHT be a good way to generate publicity, as cynical as that might be [07:46]
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Diablo-D3 Addax: you know what? I almost want to believe the whole feminism/gender fluidity moral panic thing going on is entirely made up [08:01]
Diablo-D3 like, theres a group of trolls out there who invented the whole thing, posted on social media about it, and hooked an awful lot of people on it [08:02]
Diablo-D3 so theres people out there, who now do what the trolls tell them to do, because they believe its real, and its not [08:02]
Diablo-D3 because I see what they do, and its standard troll tactics, all of it [08:02]
Diablo-D3 cherry pick the facts, scream loudly when the facts dont illustrate your narrative, insult people when they use facts to fight instead of emotions, strawman an entire army, etc etc [08:03]
Addax possibly [08:03]
Diablo-D3 and the people getting hooked on that are kids who didnt grow up on the real internet, just this weird bizzaro one that exists now [08:04]
Addax That doesn't change that it's now a thing, even if it was a made-up thing in the beginning.... and honestly, there ARE people to whom it matters, seriously, and it's not difficult to be kind [08:05]
Addax I'm okay acknowledging whatever people need themselves described as, for the most part, and as far as encouraging female participation in this field, I'm *all* for it [08:06]
Diablo-D3 it matters in the sense that we all live in the same world, and that people deserve a certain set of rights [08:06]
Addax I don't know that they're *rights* but certainly they deserve to be recognized [08:06]
Diablo-D3 I believe in free speech, but I also believe in equal opportunity not equal outcome [08:06]
Addax although if you're packing a five o'clock shadow and a moose knuckle, I'm gonna have a hard time describing you as female [08:07]
Addax yeah [08:07]
Diablo-D3 Third wave feminism isn't even about equal outcome, its about misandry [08:08]
yawkat equal opportunity and outcome are unfortunately linked [08:08]
Diablo-D3 And they use a lot of the same sort of phrasing that I'd expect from any other hate group [08:08]
Addax I don't know enough about it to judge [08:08]
Diablo-D3 I'd say look into it, Addax, but really dont [08:08]
Addax yeah, I'm going to go with "don't" [08:08]
Diablo-D3 I choose to know about hate groups on the Internet, it certainly doesn't improve my opinion of people. [08:09]
Diablo-D3 They just happen to be the popular one atm [08:09]
Addax I'm going to keep gently encouraging anyone with an interest in ______ to participate, regardless of gender or skin color or sexuality and roll with whatever happens, without militarising it [08:09]
Addax well, I'm jewish, so ... yeah [08:09]
Addax I get to know about hate groups without even trying! [08:10]
Diablo-D3 Then you must find it awfully weird that lower-case-n nazi is now a sports team league on the Internet. [08:11]
Diablo-D3 Its tribalism bred with consumerism. It's *weird*. [08:11]
Addax I was unaware of that entirely [08:11]
Addax I find now that I was enjoying my ignorance [08:11]
Diablo-D3 Sorry Addax. [08:12]
Diablo-D3 The Internet, mainly Twitter and Facebook, has become very very very goddamned weird. [08:12]
Addax much appreciated, jackass :) [08:12]
Diablo-D3 If you don't have a group if people you hate, are you really living life to the fullest? hashtag oh em gee [08:12]
Addax I deactivated my FB account months ago, have missed it fairly little [08:12]
Addax The only people I know I hate outright are those who'd rather die than let someone else live [08:13]
Tazmain Okay coding question here, when sending a list to a function, is it pass by reference or value? As in does it make a copy of that list, or is there a way to send a reference? [08:13]
yawkat pbv [08:13]
yawkat Java only supports pass by value. However, non-primitive variables hold references to objects, not the objects themselves. You're passing the reference by value. For more information see: https://dzone.com/articles/java-pass-by-reference-or-pass-by-value and ask me about ~primitives if you don't know what those are. [08:13]
Addax pbv [08:13]
Addax Java only supports pass by value. However, non-primitive variables hold references to objects, not the objects themselves. You're passing the reference by value. For more information see: https://dzone.com/articles/java-pass-by-reference-or-pass-by-value and ask me about ~primitives if you don't know what those are. [08:13]
Diablo-D3 pbv [08:13]
Diablo-D3 Java only supports pass by value. However, non-primitive variables hold references to objects, not the objects themselves. You're passing the reference by value. For more information see: https://dzone.com/articles/java-pass-by-reference-or-pass-by-value and ask me about ~primitives if you don't know what those are. [08:13]
Diablo-D3 damnit [08:13]
Addax yawkat ++ [08:13]
Addax yawkat has a karma level of 316, Addax [08:13]
yawkat i win. [08:13]
Addax yes [08:13]
yawkat and no, there is no way to send a reference. [08:14]
Diablo-D3 to finish this though, because this is a shitty subject, if a group exists, theres another group that exists them, and the bigger the group to be hated, the more people dedicated to hating it [08:14]
Addax you could always build a collection of the collection, and then reassign the value in the collection to whatever you wanted, but ... gross [08:14]
Tazmain yawkat, drat -__- [08:14]
Diablo-D3 if minority points exist, then its most certainly possible to have a negative minority score. [08:14]
Addax Tazmain: what are you trying to accomplish? [08:15]
Diablo-D3 is cisgendered christian white male, the most negative score of all. [08:15]
Tazmain wait, java is pass by value reference, as in it sends the value of the reference and doesn't make a full deep copy of the object [08:16]
yawkat christian white male here, dont feel disadvantaged or hated in any way [08:16]
yawkat Tazmain: java is pbv, but object values are references. [08:16]
Tazmain pbv ? [08:16]
Tazmain pass by value [08:16]
yawkat pass by value. [08:16]
Addax pbv [08:16]
Addax Tazmain, Java only supports pass by value. However, non-primitive variables hold references to objects, not the objects themselves. You're passing the reference by value. For more information see: https://dzone.com/articles/java-pass-by-reference-or-pass-by-value and ask me about ~primitives if you don't know what those are. [08:16]
Addax golly moses, dude [08:16]
Tazmain yeah passing the reference to the value, but a new *pointer* is made the object when sending it to a function [08:17]
Tazmain "If the original type is not primitive, then a new reference or pointer is created inside the stack memory, which points to the actual object data, and the new reference is then passed to the method, (at this stage, two references are pointing to the same object data)." [08:17]
Tazmain better description :p [08:17]
Addax yes [08:18]
Addax thus: PBV [08:18]
yawkat semantics are exactly like C in that regard [08:18]
Tazmain yeah [08:18]
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Tazmain Odd a standardMultipartFile object is removing the leading 0 on phone numbers, on a string field ..... Need to see what is going on here [09:27]
Tazmain well jackson csvmapper [09:28]
Tazmain >.< arg, I was looking at the wrong file it was missing the leading 0 [09:35]
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